My small revenge on Apple • Hacker News Board

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by raxxorrax » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

collaborative wrote: post #133

sbuk wrote: post #130

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Equally, developers need to respect their users. I don't want to have to have a Facebook or Google account to use your product. Why should I be interested in your app if you force me you use either of those options? They were also involved in PRISM and both have far worse track records with privacy than Apple. More importantly, why should I trust you with PII?

Having your email address boils down to password recovery. For instance, I only ever send 3 types of emails: 1 - Activation email with activation code to ensure the person actually owns the email address (non-OAUTH sign-up) 2 - Password recovery for when they have forgotten their password. Yes, a user doesn't need this with OAUTH but sometimes they will have forgotten that they used OAUTH to start with and need to si…

It should also be mentioned that email doesn't generally provide any information.

hobgoblin33@ussr.ru doesn't carry much info.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

collaborative wrote: post #164

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #74

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Yeah, shame on Apple for protecting their user’s privacy. So evil of them to not allow 3rd party developers to harvest user’s e-mail addresses for no reason whatsoever.

No reason whatsoever != password recovery At the end of the day you've made your choice. You believe the reason Apple does this is to protect your privacy. You can't see that they want to close you in and make sure they are the only contact you ever have with anyone. This is to get your $. You're in fact paying a premium because they artificially inflate the price of every software you buy (think fees) I don't "harve…

> You can't see that they want to close you in and make sure they are the only contact you ever have with anyone.

You don’t see that I want to only have to deal with one party. I don’t want 74637728 different logins if I can help it.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by S_A_P » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

Not saying I don't see where you are coming from, but will echo what other people have said here and can say the message sounds a bit unprofessional. I would also encourage you to look at this from a users point of view. They generally care about none of this stuff. They don't want to know about your "war" with apple, and just want to use what you built. It is a bad look.

Edit: It seems that 2 weeks ago you had a beef with Google as well. Maybe this blog is your way of venting the sorts of frustrations that come with developing your app. To offer some unsolicited advice. Take the time to learn and fully understand how the social logins work, and focus on providing the best experience possible. Badmouthing Google and Apple(and is Facebook next?) is not the way to get traction.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by jackson1442 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

pjerem wrote: post #185

webmobdev wrote: post #112

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> Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? Yes. And more to the point, because that Apple service may not exist in the future. Or Apple may determine that a particular app or service can no longer use its service for whatever reason, and you as a user will not have any choice in that manner. It's all been done before.

And it makes me think : what happens to the "proxy emails" affected to your application when Apple decides to ban your app from the App Store ? Are your users still reachable ? Is there any information on this ? Given an alternative storyline where Epic Games allowed users to create account with relayed apple mails, wouldn't all those accounts suddenly became unusable today ?

Epic actually did allow users to use SWA since they have about 5 other IdPs they allow. Apple didn't suspend their access to SWA at any point, though there were stories about it at the time.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

hoseja wrote: post #83

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #72

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Because Apple prioritizes their customers over developers. If they didn’t force developers to adopt this, they would never do it as it’s in their interest to harvest the e-mail addresses of their customers.

Why then should Apple have monopoly on harvesting emails?

Because I trust Apple not to abuse it more than I trust some random app or website.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by CivBase » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:52 PM UTC

mosselman wrote: post #194

This is a perfect example of why Sign in with Apple is so great: it hides my e-mail and real name from people like the author who are clearly intent on using this information to sell me stuff I don't want.

This comment is pointlessly accusatory and misses the whole point.

The problem wasn't that the author couldn't access your precious email. The problem was that Apple used their power to force their auth solution onto the author, which means Apple has no incentive to make their solution good. It caused this developer enough grief that they intentionally removed support for Apple ID on other platforms as a small protest.

Please do not accuse people of malicious intent without evidence. You can discuss the merits of Apple ID without being a jerk.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by wayneftw » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:52 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #125

Anyone who puts privacy in quotes has totally lost the plot. Is it really so inconceivable to some two-bit developer that I absolutely do trust Apple more than I trust them? Hell, I trust Apple more than I trust Facebook and Google. Apple ID is my go to SSO these days. Is Apple perfect? No. But this is a game of lesser of evils.

I think it's adorable that anyone actually believes Apple is concerned with user privacy.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you can read all about how hypocritical Apple is about your privacy right here on HN - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24109695

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by yalogin » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

I don’t get these kind of posts. Apple ID is mandated for a reason. If OP can declare war the least they can do is provide technical reasons about why they are declaring war, instead of a couple UI buttons and lot of anti-apple prose. I was looking for atleast a link to the technical reasons.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by alpaca128 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #22

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #6

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As someone who owns multiple Apple devices and is generally pretty happy with their hardware and services, I agree. I wish there was at least a third option, if not more competition in this space. RIP Windows Phone, WebOS, Meego, Firefox OS, et al

Competition is no longer possible these days, as banks, towns, etc. start to require an _unrooted_ Android/iOS device for basic operations (e.g. authorization of credit card operations, paying taxes and fines, COVID stuff, etc.).

Agreed. I tried to get a hardware-based TAN generator from my bank because that's the official alternative, but they indicated as long as I don't do 10k transactions a day I "don't need one". But I did need one, lacking an up-to-date smartphone and a Windows/Mac PC.

They were also baffled that I wanted more than 5 digits as login PIN (without username) for the banking app.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Angostura » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

This guy is taking revenge on his users not Apple. I trust Apple with my login details and I like their option to let me hide my real email. I’m not logging in with Facebook or Google.

It’s not Apple he’s hurting.