Does "sign in with X" not lock you into X's ecosystem? That is, if I lose my Apple account or my Google account due to their judgement of my actions, have I lost access to the services I authed via those accounts? That is, if I change my email, most services allow that data to migrate to the new username. Do the "sign in with X" allow the same capabilities? (I ask from ignorance, not from sarcasm, I really don't know.)
My small revenge on Apple
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Re: My small revenge on Apple
#222This is a perfect example of why Sign in with Apple is so great: it hides my e-mail and real name from people like the author who are clearly intent on using this information to sell me stuff I don't want.
To this date, I have sent 0 marketing emails trying to sell stuff. Heck, I don't even try to sell anything, I develop out of love and passion. The only reason email is needed is for password recovery
But yes, Apple is great. Again, Apple is great. Apple good, good good good
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#223TIL that login through Apple ID shields my data from the service that I’m logging in. Idk about the dev side, but as a user I like it. I may start using this feature after all.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.
> trapped in their ecosystem How so? I think I could easily pull all my data out. Files are, well, files; contacts and calendars can be exported in standard formats; photos are stored as JPEG or raw; music is MPEG-4; e-books are epubs; whatever. Sure, I'll lose some features, but that's because other platforms don't offer those features, not because Apple is heinously putting extra effort into locking up my data.
> e-books are epubs
Are you sure ? I don’t use iBook but it doesn’t look to me like you can just export them as e-pubs and be done with it: https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-export-ibooks-from-iphone-...
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business. I personally avoid to do it, but that's not the point. Every other third party allows account recovery by mail : if you want to stop using FB or Google's SSO, you can ask the website to send you a mail to prove the account ownership. If Apple's SSO stopped working (because Apple stopped it, banned you, because y…
> because you dont have Apple devices anymore so you are locked out of their proprietary 2FA They have SMS as a fallback. I know it's insecure and I'd rather they support TOTP, but let's not pretend having an Apple device is the only way to receive 2FA codes for your Apple ID.
> let’s not pretend
This line is unwarranted and in violation of HN rules. Be cool.
I learned something today. I didn’t know you could get SMS codes for Apple 2FA.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#226This is a perfect example of why Sign in with Apple is so great: it hides my e-mail and real name from people like the author who are clearly intent on using this information to sell me stuff I don't want.
> ...people like the author who are clearly intent on using this information to sell me stuff I don't want.
Where was that made clear? My best guess is when the author said:
> We are denied customer interaction, freedom to offer any non-Apple payment methods, etc. For example, I am absolutely sure that Groups would have had loads of more IAPs had I been allowed to offer Paypal on top of Apple Pay and what not.
Offering a non-Apple payment method is selling you stuff you don't want?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.
The reason "privacy" is in quotes is that some of us have started seeing through what Apple really means every time they use the word. As the EU's Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager has recently said regarding their Apple probe, privacy can't be an excuse to stifle competition. https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/02/eu-antitrust-head... All was well because nobody was forcing me (the developer) to includ…
Including a Facebook login, and even speaking the word privacy should be a crime in my book.
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#228Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.
I'm the opposite. I NEVER use a third party login, my it be Apple, Google, Facebook or whatnot. If your website/app doesn't offer their own independent login, I don't even think once whether I really need it.
Same.
I'm really annoyed Vercel stopped offering email signups.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Equally, developers need to respect their users. I don't want to have to have a Facebook or Google account to use your product. Why should I be interested in your app if you force me you use either of those options? They were also involved in PRISM and both have far worse track records with privacy than Apple. More importantly, why should I trust you with PII?
Having your email address boils down to password recovery. For instance, I only ever send 3 types of emails: 1 - Activation email with activation code to ensure the person actually owns the email address (non-OAUTH sign-up) 2 - Password recovery for when they have forgotten their password. Yes, a user doesn't need this with OAUTH but sometimes they will have forgotten that they used OAUTH to start with and need to si…
The messages sent to the "anonymous" Apple id mail are just forwarded to the user's inbox, aren't they? How is that any different from any other email address.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#230This is a very strange “revenge” and the idiom of “cutting your nose off to spite your face” applies perfectly to it.
I don’t understand the end game here. Users are annoyed about lack of Apple ID sign-in on the web and so stop buying Apple products as a result?