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Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by himinlomax »

babesh wrote: post #70
himinlomax wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it's demonstrably not.

There is no need to argue with you anymore. First you say that all vaccines are safe. Then when I find examples of them being unsafe, you say it was a manufacturing mistake from 60 years ago. Then when I find another from 1998 you argue that bowel obstructions are not long term and that it was 3 decades ago. Then I find another from only 4 years ago and you say that it is only one example. Then I go and find two more…

I never said all vaccines are safe. You were not arguing with me, you were arguing with a strawman of your own making.

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Post by himinlomax »

babesh wrote: post #64
himinlomax wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the d…

re: your edit

So basically that vaccine didn't work to prevent measles. That's not a long term side-effect. That's a vaccine not working.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #71
babesh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to argue with you anymore. First you say that all vaccines are safe. Then when I find examples of them being unsafe, you say it was a manufacturing mistake from 60 years ago. Then when I find another from 1998 you argue that bowel obstructions are not long term and that it was 3 decades ago. Then I find another from only 4 years ago and you say that it is only one example. Then I go and find two more…

I never said all vaccines are safe. You were not arguing with me, you were arguing with a strawman of your own making.

Himinlomax - “Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disord…”

“Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.”

“I never said all vaccines are safe.”

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by himinlomax »

babesh wrote: post #73
himinlomax wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said all vaccines are safe. You were not arguing with me, you were arguing with a strawman of your own making.

Himinlomax - “Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disord…” “Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case w…

> long term side effects

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by ctvo »

version_five wrote: post #15
ctvo wrote: post #14

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Home schooling your children too? School districts requiring vaccination records for all sorts of things. What invasion of privacy. It’s like they do it to protect other children.

Not sure I see the equivalence between showing my kids have their childhood vaccines before they go to school and having to flash a vaccine pass every time I go to the gym or to eat. Honestly I would rather it was mandated by government and then assumed (not that I think that is compatible with western rights) than having to show this kind of information on request to businesses as I go about my day. Most people here…

> Most people here would agree with that for most things - people get bent out of shape about advertising cookies. But somehow covid has made everyone hysterical and no indignity can be too much in the name of preaching and checking for covid orthodoxy. I find it really weird.

It's actually not that weird. Tracking cookies haven't caused 600,000 deaths and countless hospitalization. The "indignity" of showing your vaccine card, like the indignity of showing your ID to get into a bar or buy alcohol?

I originally brought up home schooling because people seemed shocked anyone can ask for vaccination records. I'm bringing up ID here because you seem shocked that businesses ask for additional records.

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Post by throwawaygh »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #19
throwawaygh wrote: post #17

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> if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. I've started doing exactly the opposite. Almost every place I spend my money these days caters to reasonable people and quickly kicks out most of the riffraff. I don't want to go to a business that caters to all customers, because being surrounded by annoying people is miserable. I want to spend m…

I support businesses with principles: what you cited is materially different. Subjective criteria for annoying people.

Yeah. I'm not looking for a religion. I'm just looking for a good relaxing time. Last thing I want is to deal with some mouth breather don’t tread on my rant while trying to enjoy a cocktail.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by anonymouswacker »

aplummer wrote: post #39
anonymouswacker wrote: post #30

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Yeah. Let people do what they want. When did centralization of power ever do anything good without horrible unintended consequences?

When we eradicated polio with the miracle of vaccinations and stopped having children in iron lungs

That was hardly the same thing. They tested for years, and then the Federal government left it to the states and did not mandate it.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by anonymouswacker »

himinlomax wrote: post #47
anonymouswacker wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Let people do what they want. When did centralization of power ever do anything good without horrible unintended consequences?

Freedom to contaminate?

Yes. It’s what we called living before 2020.

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #74
babesh wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Himinlomax - “Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disord…” “Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case w…

> long term side effects

What a clown

dagsdgfhdgdj - “You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...”

Re: NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More

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Post by babesh »

himinlomax wrote: post #72
babesh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the d…

re: your edit So basically that vaccine didn't work to prevent measles. That's not a long term side-effect. That's a vaccine not working.

Can you not read?

Here is the quote for the RSV vaccine that I had included in the earlier comment.

“Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died.”

Also can you not at least do your own research on atypical measles? Pulmonary lesions for several years sounds long term to me.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/

“ This report highlights three unusual manifestations of this syndrome: 1) transient hepatitis, 2) persistence of pulmonary lesions for several years, and 3) occurrence of excessively high measles hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers.”

Everything you say, I go find evidence against and you find no new evidence. You just walk further and further back.

- no vaccines with long term side effects

- wrong, how about Cutter and rotavirus

- only one vaccine with long term side effects

- wrong, how about these 2

- only 60 years ago

- wrong, how about 23 years ago

- only manufacturing defect

- wrong, how about RSV, and these two others

- only 30 years ago

- wrong, how about 4 years ago

- only got you measles

- wrong, you got atypical measles

- no long term effects

- wrong, did you not read that there were multiple deaths? Did you figure out what atypical measles is? Did you find out about it’s long term side effects?

- I never said vaccines were safe, just that there were none with long term side effects

- wrong, you must mean short term side effects that fade away? Hahahaha. Deaths, paralysis, lesions, bowel obstructions that left untreated can kill you, etc…

Do you know what long term side effect even means? It doesn’t mean that the side effects only begin showing up later. An effect that occurs immediately and persists is still a long term side effect. A bullet to your brain has a long term side effect. It’s action is immediate but it’s side effects can be long lasting.

If vaccines are not safe, then why are you arguing that people take them? Also if you can’t tell if they are safe, how can you argue that taking the vaccines is safer than getting COVID-19? How can you argue definitively that the vaccines are safer for everyone? Why are you arguing against waiting for results of long term trials?

When faced with more and more evidence, instead of learning more, you stay incurious. You argue with so much self assurance but do not bother researching and thinking through a situation that is not fully known.

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