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Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disorder).

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Not getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.

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Go ask them to wear masks. Either masks worked or they didn’t. Don’t force people to inject vaccines into their bodies.

Go ask other road users to wear seat belts so that I can drive drunk and over the speed limit.

Wearing a mask isn’t driving drunk. That is exactly what we are asking children to do while the trials are under way. Your shete logic means that you think that children under 12 who don’t take the vaccine should not go to schools. Or are you advocating that we force them to take the vaccine too? Ha! Not even the CDC recommends that.

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Go ask other road users to wear seat belts so that I can drive drunk and over the speed limit.

Wearing a mask isn’t driving drunk. That is exactly what we are asking children to do while the trials are under way. Your shete logic means that you think that children under 12 who don’t take the vaccine should not go to schools. Or are you advocating that we force them to take the vaccine too? Ha! Not even the CDC recommends that.

> Wearing a mask isn’t driving drunk

I didn't compare wearing a mask to driving drunk, I compared wearing a mask to wearing a seat belt. I compared driving drunk to not getting vaccinated.

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Wrong. Rotavirus is 1998. Do the math. 2021 - 1998 = 23 years EDIT: 23 not 32 years

That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his...

More examples.

One from 2017 with several deaths.

“In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.”

Is 4 years recent enough?

Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter.

“ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn.

The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”

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You are wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. “ In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing” Go look at the rotavirus incident. “ The results of the investigations showed that Ro…

> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...

“In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.“

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That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the d…

Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.

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Not getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.

No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.

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Not getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.

No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.

Except that it's demonstrably not.

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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the d…

Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.

There were 4 examples in this article. Only one was in the CDC article.

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No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.

Except that it's demonstrably not.

There is no need to argue with you anymore. First you say that all vaccines are safe. Then when I find examples of them being unsafe, you say it was a manufacturing mistake from 60 years ago. Then when I find another from 1998 you argue that bowel obstructions are not long term and that it was 3 decades ago. Then I find another from only 4 years ago and you say that it is only one example. Then I go and find two more. Keep on walking back your claims.

Note that many of these vaccines were already approved and not under emergency use authorization. Ever wonder how many side effects vaccines under trial have and how many never make it out of trials?

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