Funny how articles like this seem to always get posted when the Tesla stock price starts going on another up-swing
Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> stark contrast with his public persona I don't really follow Musk, so pretty much everything I hear about him comes from whatever antics bubbles up to a tech-y press (such as Ars Technica or posts here). As a result, the mental image of him that I have is that he's an arrogant, egotistical smartass with a selfish streak that sometimes can be seen as altruistic. Which is basically the kind of behavior that this arti…
The public persona is that he's good at engineering. When in actuality, all of these stories seem to indicate that he's incompetent at it. People were willing to put up with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates (other egotistical jackasses) because they made good engineering decisions. But Elon Musk's decisions are "Lets have an automated factory line, and I'm planning the factory will only have 30,000 workers". Then suddenly 4…
> When in actuality, all of these stories seem to indicate that he's incompetent at it.
Total nonsense. Multiple engineers from inside and outside his companies have talked highly of him as an engineer.
> But Elon Musk's decisions are "Lets have an automated factory line, and I'm planning the factory will only have 30,000 workers".
Yes. He made a mistake. How horrible, he should be executed.
He addmited the mistake and has analyzed why it happened and is now trying to avoid that mistake.
If you don't risk things and don't try to push the boundaries then you want achieve anything.
> and now his financials are a mess and he has to build a Tent in the parking lot to house all of the extra production lines. And now people wonder why their Model 3 / Model Y have paint issues or other quality-control defects (Wompy Wheels)
Are you a time-traveler from 2017 or something? Like literally is everything you know a few news articles from 2017 and that has formed your total opinion?
Tesla has done extensive renovation on the paint shops in Fremont, those were older paint shops. Paint quality was an issue and is now very good. Paint quality from China are excellent. Austin and Berlin will both have newest generation paint shops that should be excellent as well.
Overall the drive train, electronics and suspension of Tesla have been very reliable and have a good reputation.
Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures
#193Oh no, a CEO yelled at employees, investors, and cut corners. Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave. I think the record shows that Tesla, and Musk, have undergone a lot of growing pains and mistakes, but the results speak for themselves.
You're a parent; would you be fine with saying, "I mean, I berated my kids and had them work in a way where one of them could've really easily lost an arm, but the quality of their completed chores really speaks for itself"? Would you be fine with them becoming adults and being treated like shit by their boss despite producing results you find enviable?
And as another user put it, it can be both - they achieved great results, and they're assholes.
Edit: Hell, would you be OK with being berated and asked to work in an unsafe environment?
Edit 2: Just four days ago you posted about how much you dislike the way that Bezos and Amazon treat(ed) Amazon employees. I am having trouble squaring away that sentiment with the sentiment in your post today.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not psychopaths, they're just disconnected from your perspective. They've got other stuff on their mind and it's hard for them to put themselves in your shoes. Are you a psychopath for driving your car for a holiday trip, even though there's people dying in 49 degrees heat in Greece? It's really not that different from Jeff Bezos flying his spacecraft. Not that I'm saying it's ok, obviously Bezos's company is…
> 90% of their assets are tied up in stocks that they're not gonna sell soon. It is weird that this billionaire excuse flex didn't exist 5 or so years ago. Someone started pushing this meme really hard. And MacKenzie Scott's ability to liquidate $4B in a year shows that they really can do something with all those zeros if they want to and it won't single handedly crash the NYSE.
My brother-in-law believed that Bezos had $200B in a FDIC-insured bank account until recently.
It seems like it’s in the interest of everyone to be financially literate in how the ultra-rich operate in order to form better thought out policy positions.
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> IMO, it was certainly not clear in your initial comment that "Musk is an incompetent engineer" (here paraphrased) was meant to be a paraphrasing of other sources and not your own stated opinion. Fair. But I assure you it was made with respect to the information in the article. I do admit that I happen to have heard this story before, years ago when it was first reported. But reading this long-form story here remind…
For whatever reason, I've observed public opinion of Musk to be highly polarized. Some (very strange) people literally worship him, and others seem almost personally affronted by his existence and bend over backwards to ignore and/or explain away his obvious, somewhat unprecedented successes. Since to me they are rather obvious, I tend to take any one-dimensional criticism of his abilities as a technical leader with…
It used to be mostly just for fun / internet drama for the most part. Like, PS3 vs XBox sorta thing. I take sides but its all just for fun.
At least, it was all just fun internet drama until last year when Elon's COVID19 denials went on 100% full display so that he could keep his Fremont factory open. That pissed me off significantly, so I admit to being angrier today than normal. When I saw him use his "hype" to pretend that he was going to build ventilators for hospitals (with 100% confidence that he was bullshitting everyone again), that just made me angrier. Its no longer just him running a quirky company, he's actively stepping into dangerous territory and explicitly spreading COVID19 conspiracy theories among his fans now to push political ideologies that are convenient for him.
He's playing both sides: COVID19 denials when it keeps his factory open... COVID19 production ("ventilators", which happened to be worthless CPAP machines) to boost his own ego afterwards and help negate the damage. Its pretty annoying. (It is a donation of medical equipment, but it didn't help the COVID19 cause at all)
So that crossed a line for me. I do try to keep things in the "fun XBox vs PS3" kind of debate as much as possible, but I have to admit that the past year has really bothered me with regards to Elon.
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Even now, this year, he's suggesting that people don't get the second jab: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1370524129212964867
So while he's not quite anti-vax, he's spreading the paranoia about the vaccines (and was certainly spreading COVID19 denialism last year 100%, likely in support of his preferred factory politics)
Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures
#196This reads almost identically to Steve Jobs history at Apple revealed in Walter Isaacson's biography of him. > But it’s a difficult and exhausting book. Jobs was a world-class asshole. He was a selfish, self-centered man who heaped abuse on everyone around him. After a few hours, the catalog of tantrums, tirades and put-downs wears thin. You may have huge admiration for Jobs’s accomplishments, but it can be hard to h…
Musk seems to be more of an asshole, like someone affecting an exaggerated version of his image of Steve Jobs. There are entirely valid critiques of Steve Jobs. His overly restrictive and proprietary technology being a major one. But the myth that he was some kind of social monster is ahistorical. Steve Jobs was very opinionated, honest, and unafraid to tell people what he thought. At times he was overly harsh, no do…
Maybe you need to look into what he did to his first born daughter, I think that will change your perspective
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving. So "FSD" doesn't actually mean "Full Self Driving" then? So this is not deceptive advertising then by Tesla Inc.? I'm assuming that you also have known that FSD was also advertised as 'Full Level 5 Autonomy' by Tesla Inc. as well which was due for completion in 2020 or early 2021? [0] Where are the 'robotaxis' that was advertised and due for 2020 then? [0] So you…
Well then I guess you should ask for your money back. You have a reasonable case for a refund.
Maybe tell that to these people? [0] I think they want more than just a refund.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...
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#198Since when Musk becomes co founder of Tesla? ...
When he bought the title after the founding of the company, totally normal.
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You don’t need to read fabricated facts if you simply can follow Elon on Twitter. If you put down the rose-tinted glasses, you see that he puts out a lot of dumb stuff and many lies.
Yes, but he is also building a massive friggin reusable rocket and has built rocket boosters that land. He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better. He is a weird dude that has a weird sense of humor. Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress.
He isn't building anything, the actual engineers (whom he likely also routinely abuses) do.
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This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.
You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals. Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult…
You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals.
Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum.
I dated a woman on the Autism spectrum. This has been discussed in many books about Aspergers: People on the spectrum can resemble sociopaths and psychopaths on the surface. They are not. However, the appearance of insensitivity can often look like it to laypeople.