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Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Envy runs very high on the internet.

You will now see "psychiatrists", "judges", "moral priests", condemning Elon's behavior. They are mostly driven by envy and greed.

Elon is a driven person that can be temperamental when things don't get done. If that's not your style you don't have to work with him. He didn't cross any lines and at the end his company has been extremely successful to everybody's benefit.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Elon wasn’t helping anyone, he was clamoring for attention. He then made viscous and immature smears against someone actually helping. It’s incredible that someone would defend Musk on this.

>He then made viscous and immature smears against someone actually helping Telling someone to stick a large object up their ass is mature to you? And somehow not attention seeking?

He was trying to get a job done and Musk was interfering for attention. His response was warranted.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

They're not psychopaths, they're just disconnected from your perspective. They've got other stuff on their mind and it's hard for them to put themselves in your shoes. Are you a psychopath for driving your car for a holiday trip, even though there's people dying in 49 degrees heat in Greece? It's really not that different from Jeff Bezos flying his spacecraft. Not that I'm saying it's ok, obviously Bezos's company is…

> 90% of their assets are tied up in stocks that they're not gonna sell soon.

How is that at all relevant? Name one thing any of them cannot buy just because the vast majority of their wealth is invested. Bezos was putting a billion a quarter into Blue Origin - yes that's a small percentage of his wealth but there's no reason to assume more money would have gone faster.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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What about the lives that have been saved? Do those not count? Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop. What if that guy was in an Audi and ran over a child while passed out?

> Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop Maybe that 'driver' shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place given that he was drunk? You have to knowingly get inside of the car and start it up all manually to use it. Does being drunk give a pass to everyone behind the wheel to do the same thing? You are still putting other drivers at risk regardless of the car that is dr…

> Maybe that 'driver' shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place

That particular driver, no. What about a medical condition?

The moon thing is funny but was that unsafe? There's also the truck that was carrying traffic lights.

Edge cases. Humans make even worse decisions daily, nobody cares but people still die.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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> I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. That is a reality distortion field. The Tesla CEO is good at that and it reflects on the deceptive advertisement of FSD and the actual reality of it being unfinished and still unsafe and it puts the lives of m…

No it doesn't put lives at risk. Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving. One of the following must be true: 1) Tesla FSD actually is L5 full self driving 2) Tesla FSD is just driver assist and everyone knows it 3) People are dying in Tesla crashes at a massive rate I doubt that it's 1 and I know it's not 3 because this would have been noticed immediately by the agencies that track this sort of thing and w…

> Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving.

So "FSD" doesn't actually mean "Full Self Driving" then? So this is not deceptive advertising then by Tesla Inc.? I'm assuming that you also have known that FSD was also advertised as 'Full Level 5 Autonomy' by Tesla Inc. as well which was due for completion in 2020 or early 2021? [0]

Where are the 'robotaxis' that was advertised and due for 2020 then? [0] So you are admitting that Tesla Inc. deliberately mislead its customers then?

[0] https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Totally serious question: if Musk is so bad at engineering, to the extent that he's supposedly (?) not just making bad calls himself but also sabotaging the ability of those under him to make good calls, how has he ended up in charge of two companies that have both found (contemporarily) unprecedented success at scale in markets that have been absolutely dominated by huge incumbents for many decades? Tesla and SpaceX…

He's really good at raising money. Which is a skill. An incredibly useful skill, and arguably more important for someone in the position of CEO. He's grabbed $20+ Billion for Tesla. He's grabbed multiple Billions for SpaceX. Its a totally different skill than his persona identifies with. No one else I know of in the modern market has successfully grabbed as much money from people as he has. --------- Pretty much ever…

Edison's company lasted, but it looks like he may not have gone down in history as the better man. The varnished history held strong for a long time, but historians slowly uncovered more details and truth and it seems that Tesla has gone down in history as the genius inventor and Edison will be remembered as an extremely aggressive, but very successful business man.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

#129

While I'm sure Elon was abusive (like almost every fast growing tech giant except maybe Zuckerberg?), I learned that the author of this book fabricated an entire exchange between Elon and Tim Cook, in which Elon only agreed to sell Tesla to Apple if Elon became the CEO of Apple. Both Elon and Tim Cook say that they have never ever spoken to each other as Tim Cook denied the request to meet with Elon.

> like almost every fast growing tech giant This is rubbish and actually offensive. Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Jack Dorsey, Patrick Collison, Brian Chesky etc. are not abusive. And in fact if you look at all of the fastest growing companies the pattern is for them to be moved out if they are abusive or have troubling behaviour. Stop perpetuating this myth that the industry tolerates behaviours that other companies don'…

If you were in the early days of one of these companies or know people closely involved with a few of these folks you mentioned you'll know they aren't exactly saints either...

Truth is, tech is historically more tolerant of extremely eccentric personalities that can be borderline (or obviously) toxic more so than some other industries. Doesn't mean it's anywhere near as bad as Steve Jobs was. Nor that it's as bad as it is in finance (MDs screaming at interns tended to be quite the pasttime for a long time at bulge bracket banks).

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals. Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult…

> Please leave diagnostics for professionals. > asperger spectrum This is no longer recognized in the DSM-5.

But it was in DSM-IV. Are all of those people now cured?
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