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Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by rvz »

bob33212 wrote: post #52
rvz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. That is a reality distortion field. The Tesla CEO is good at that and it reflects on the deceptive advertisement of FSD and the actual reality of it being unfinished and still unsafe and it puts the lives of m…

What about the lives that have been saved? Do those not count? Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop. What if that guy was in an Audi and ran over a child while passed out?

> Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop

Maybe that 'driver' shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place given that he was drunk? You have to knowingly get inside of the car and start it up all manually to use it.

Does being drunk give a pass to everyone behind the wheel to do the same thing? You are still putting other drivers at risk regardless of the car that is driven, even especially what you are using is beta software.

I wouldn't want to use such software that confuses the moon with a traffic light [0]

[0] https://twitter.com/JordanTeslaTech/status/14184133078625853...

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by Pyramus »

threeseed wrote: post #49
iamcreasy wrote: post #2

I guess there are some true facts in this book but I am overall very skeptic of the picture the author is trying to paint or the conclusions he is drawing from those facts. For example, the book says Elon wanted to be Apple's CEO post Tesla acquisition on a phone call. But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management. Edit: Also Tim Cook mentioned in a…

> But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management But yet he is still the CEO of Tesla. Just because someone says they want to do something doesn't mean they will.

After everything Elon has said about funding secured, robotaxis, cave divers, journalists, whistleblowers, specs, FSD, Covid, ... I find it puzzling people take everything he says at face value. Yes, he is an incredibly smart and visionary guy, who also has a track record of saying things he doesn't mean.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by anonAndOn »

threeseed wrote: post #49
iamcreasy wrote: post #2

I guess there are some true facts in this book but I am overall very skeptic of the picture the author is trying to paint or the conclusions he is drawing from those facts. For example, the book says Elon wanted to be Apple's CEO post Tesla acquisition on a phone call. But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management. Edit: Also Tim Cook mentioned in a…

> But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management But yet he is still the CEO of Tesla. Just because someone says they want to do something doesn't mean they will.

He's OCD. If he could find somebody else willing to consistently put in 100 hour weeks and drive the ship the way Elon wants, I think he'd let go of the reigns.

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Post by outworlder »

peakaboo wrote: post #16
rebelos wrote: post #8

I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. I suspect there's something really dark with him that originates in his childhood (suffered through horrific bullying and a hellishly awful father).

This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

> This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths?

Easier to get to the top - and stay there - if you don't care about anything (or anyone) else. Even better if you can do so while projecting a different image.

This may not be true for all CEOs. If you choose only the billionaires as examples, there could be some selection bias at play.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by cronix »

This reads almost identically to Steve Jobs history at Apple revealed in Walter Isaacson's biography of him.

> But it’s a difficult and exhausting book. Jobs was a world-class asshole. He was a selfish, self-centered man who heaped abuse on everyone around him. After a few hours, the catalog of tantrums, tirades and put-downs wears thin. You may have huge admiration for Jobs’s accomplishments, but it can be hard to hear in detail how the sausage was made.

> He was brutal about it. At one point, he decided to lay off most of the staff that worked on the Lisa, the unsuccessful precursor to the Macintosh:

> “You guys failed,” he said, looking directly at the Lisa team. “You’re a B team. B players. Too many people here are B or C players, so today we are releasing some of you to have the opportunity to work at our sister companies here in the valley.”

> Most people are socialized to be nice to others, to value friendship or feelings over the interests of the corporation. Jobs turned those priorities on their head. When asked why he was so nasty, he said it made the company better. “Part of my responsibility is to be a yardstick of quality,” he told BusinessWeek. “Some people aren’t used to an environment where excellence is expected.”

https://www.cultofmac.com/126245/steve-jobs-the-world-class-...

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by outworlder »

fsloth wrote: post #101
peakaboo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals. Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult…

> Please leave diagnostics for professionals.

> asperger spectrum

This is no longer recognized in the DSM-5.

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Post by belltaco »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #61

Somewhat of topic but: > Tesla co-founder and CEO Elon Musk Why do people keep thinking Elon founded Tesla? Pretty sure he wasn't one of the founders, so I don't get why people think so.

https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk

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Post by nemothekid »

threeseed wrote: post #72
nemothekid wrote: post #37

While I'm sure Elon was abusive (like almost every fast growing tech giant except maybe Zuckerberg?), I learned that the author of this book fabricated an entire exchange between Elon and Tim Cook, in which Elon only agreed to sell Tesla to Apple if Elon became the CEO of Apple. Both Elon and Tim Cook say that they have never ever spoken to each other as Tim Cook denied the request to meet with Elon.

> like almost every fast growing tech giant This is rubbish and actually offensive. Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Jack Dorsey, Patrick Collison, Brian Chesky etc. are not abusive. And in fact if you look at all of the fastest growing companies the pattern is for them to be moved out if they are abusive or have troubling behaviour. Stop perpetuating this myth that the industry tolerates behaviours that other companies don'…

Neither Tim Cook nor Sundar Pichai "count" as both became CEO when those companies were already S&P 500 components. That said I did not mean to imply that fast growing companies could only be built by abusive CEOs and I apologize for claiming otherwise.

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Post by vkou »

MattGaiser wrote: post #29
vkou wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think all it paints is a picture of someone who is good at virtue signaling in public. I don't think there's a need to dig much past that.

I think everyone does this to some extent. For Musk, publicity is a large part of his work. That requires a certain friendliness. When someone is yo ur job, you adapt your personality. I am certainly not my authentic self at work and that is to facilitate my work.

> I think everyone does this to some extent.

They do, and that's fine. Politicians and people like him do it more frequently than, say, Larry Ellison.

What we shouldn't do is take a carefully-curated public persona, and try to extrapolate too hard about how 'really' behaves.

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Post by belltaco »

luffapi wrote: post #99
belltaco wrote: post #83

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>It wasn’t funny to call a guy trying to rescue trapped children a “pedo” That guy first told Elon to stick his small submarine up his own ass, so maybe he shouldn't have told "a guy trying to rescue trapped children" to sodomize himself with a very large object?

Elon wasn’t helping anyone, he was clamoring for attention. He then made viscous and immature smears against someone actually helping. It’s incredible that someone would defend Musk on this.

>He then made viscous and immature smears against someone actually helping

Telling someone to stick a large object up their ass is mature to you? And somehow not attention seeking?

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