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Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

Gates seems pretty normal to me.

He's gone out of his way to cultivate that image.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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> Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management. I'm always thrown when public figures who have an obvious incentive to lie are taken at their word in public statements. It happens all the time with politicians and CEOs. If you look at where Musk seems to add value, it's 100% in the management zone. Well, that and the other CEO duties of representing th…

In recent interviews - Sandy Munro and Andrej Karpathy vouched his technical capability. But it appears you have made up your mind as it seems to be the simplest answer.

Not that OP, but in keeping with his concern about incentives, it is not like Karpathy (at least) has no incentive in keeping Elon Musk's public image intact.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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> stark contrast with his public persona What do you mean? He called a person a pedo in public.

Haha that was pretty funny though, an example of playing to his audience in public.

> The guy was likely a pedo though and that was pretty funny…

I don’t think calling someone that without evidence is funny at all, if not this is an extremely libellous accusation.

Grow up.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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I guess there are some true facts in this book but I am overall very skeptic of the picture the author is trying to paint or the conclusions he is drawing from those facts. For example, the book says Elon wanted to be Apple's CEO post Tesla acquisition on a phone call. But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management. Edit: Also Tim Cook mentioned in a…

The waterfall of misinformation: 1) Author fabricates "facts" for his book 2) Tabloids copy those "facts" and add filler to fabricate outrage 3) Twitter outrage specialists pick these "facts" up and retweet 4) Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3)

You don’t need to read fabricated facts if you simply can follow Elon on Twitter. If you put down the rose-tinted glasses, you see that he puts out a lot of dumb stuff and many lies.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. I suspect there's something really dark with him that originates in his childhood (suffered through horrific bullying and a hellishly awful father).

What a weird thing to say about someone you don't know personally and I'm guessing never even talked to before.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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post #8

I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. I suspect there's something really dark with him that originates in his childhood (suffered through horrific bullying and a hellishly awful father).

This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

Not weird, you need something different in you to govern over many lives (employees & families, but this is no different than kings, dictators, presidents etc); this is probably more psychopath or sociopath than we are used to normally. How can you take decisions over 10000s+ of people's lives if you are a sane person?

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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While I'm sure Elon was abusive (like almost every fast growing tech giant except maybe Zuckerberg?), I learned that the author of this book fabricated an entire exchange between Elon and Tim Cook, in which Elon only agreed to sell Tesla to Apple if Elon became the CEO of Apple. Both Elon and Tim Cook say that they have never ever spoken to each other as Tim Cook denied the request to meet with Elon.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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post #8

I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. I suspect there's something really dark with him that originates in his childhood (suffered through horrific bullying and a hellishly awful father).

It is really frustrating when you are a very hard worker and very good at your job and then find out that other people are not getting things done. Watch the Michael Jordan documentary if you don't understand this.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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post #8

I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies. I suspect there's something really dark with him that originates in his childhood (suffered through horrific bullying and a hellishly awful father).

> I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies.

That is a reality distortion field. The Tesla CEO is good at that and it reflects on the deceptive advertisement of FSD and the actual reality of it being unfinished and still unsafe and it puts the lives of many drivers at risk on the roads.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

#40
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may sound a bit weird but haven't you noticed they all are psychopaths? Although high functioning ones. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezoz... These are not healthy people mentally. But they are rich and powerful.

Gates seems pretty normal to me.

Read some early MS company stories.
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