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Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by martythemaniak »

Perceval wrote: post #28
Aloisius wrote: post #8

I'm waiting for Apple to require all things bought through Macs to use Apple's payment system. I mean right now, millions of dollars of products are being purchased on websites being viewed on Macs. Clearly Apple should get 30%. I'm sure it'll be huge. (and screw Karma with this one... Apple appears just greedy and downright anti-competitive doing this)

Please don't include passive grubbing for upvotes as a coda to your comments. If you have something to say, even if it's controversial, have the courage to say it plainly without projecting anxiety about karma (of all things). It's insulting by implication to the community here that expressing a contrary but constructive and well-written opinion would become a crisis for your karma. For the most part, other readers c…

A contrary but constructive and well-written opinion isn't a crisis for your karma. But you better get ready to spend some of it if you bad mouth Apple...

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by alnayyir »

Aloisius wrote: post #8

I'm waiting for Apple to require all things bought through Macs to use Apple's payment system. I mean right now, millions of dollars of products are being purchased on websites being viewed on Macs. Clearly Apple should get 30%. I'm sure it'll be huge. (and screw Karma with this one... Apple appears just greedy and downright anti-competitive doing this)

Downvoted ONLY because of the sniveling caveat at the end.

People need to stop doing this.

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by Perceval »

martythemaniak wrote: post #41
Perceval wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't include passive grubbing for upvotes as a coda to your comments. If you have something to say, even if it's controversial, have the courage to say it plainly without projecting anxiety about karma (of all things). It's insulting by implication to the community here that expressing a contrary but constructive and well-written opinion would become a crisis for your karma. For the most part, other readers c…

A contrary but constructive and well-written opinion isn't a crisis for your karma. But you better get ready to spend some of it if you bad mouth Apple...

Certainly not. All of the top-rated comments in this thread express a negative opinion of Apple's policies.

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by leviathant »

martythemaniak wrote: post #41
Perceval wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't include passive grubbing for upvotes as a coda to your comments. If you have something to say, even if it's controversial, have the courage to say it plainly without projecting anxiety about karma (of all things). It's insulting by implication to the community here that expressing a contrary but constructive and well-written opinion would become a crisis for your karma. For the most part, other readers c…

A contrary but constructive and well-written opinion isn't a crisis for your karma. But you better get ready to spend some of it if you bad mouth Apple...

I think you just have to be more careful with your rhetoric if you're going to point out something negative that Apple has done. Most of my karma actually comes from comments that could be taken as anti-Apple.

If all karma were so hard-earned, the system would probably function closer to the intentions of those who created it.

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by Hyena »

matwood wrote: post #31
Hyena wrote: post #27

Just to play devil's advocate: Apple pays for the infrastructure to host and distribute the Kindle app, which then proceeds to circumvent the payment system by offering the app for free and charging for the content from outside the Apple store. While this set up is clever and 30% is a bit of a margin on in-app purchases, it's not as if Amazon has the moral high ground here. It's providing a paid service through Apple…

Amazon pays Apple $100/year to host the Kindle app, and only the app. All of the books that someone may buy sit on Amazons servers that they host and distribute. Amazon also manages its own payment infrastructure and everything else that deals with getting a book into the Kindle app. Both companies benefit from having the Kindle app in the app store. Apple gets to brag about how many apps are for sale for iOS devices…

It will get hard for me to keep playing this game because, as I suggested, I disagree with Apple here. However, it's a fun exercise.

Say that you go to a grocery store and reach an agreement: you'll be selling apples, you'll pay $100 in rent plus a 30% cut. When you actually begin working, you don't "sell" any apples there at all: you just show people how to order apples for delivery and giving them an apple bin for the truck to unload into.

If the grocer argues that you're violating the spirit of the agreement, is he wrong? Would he be wrong to say that he'd been misled?

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by Hyena »

tybris wrote: post #35
Hyena wrote: post #27

Just to play devil's advocate: Apple pays for the infrastructure to host and distribute the Kindle app, which then proceeds to circumvent the payment system by offering the app for free and charging for the content from outside the Apple store. While this set up is clever and 30% is a bit of a margin on in-app purchases, it's not as if Amazon has the moral high ground here. It's providing a paid service through Apple…

Google invests in Chrome. People use Chrome to buy things from web shops. Should web shops pay Google for this privilege? Are web shops immoral? I thought I paid for an app platform. Not a secret Apple sales platform.

Let's assume that there was a clear-cut way for Google to do that. Would it be simply wrong of Google to try to make money that way? Would it be any more wrong than charging users directly or putting ads up?

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by nivals »

matwood wrote: post #34
recoiledsnake wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real standing up would be if Amazon had refused to remove the link and let Apple reject and/or pull the Kindle app. Then the ire of people unable to read their Kindle books would be directed at Apple. This action by Amazon seems to be capitulation since there was no way that the in app purchasing system would support so many hundred thousands of books anyway.

The real standing up would be if Amazon had refused to remove the link and let Apple reject and/or pull the Kindle app. Exactly. I was hoping that Amazon and the other large content providers would simply call Apples bluff. Let Apple shoot itself in the foot and remove all the big content reasons that people buy iOS devices to start with.

Make no mistake the bluff was called. Apple themselves removed the app (of at least one of the impacted few) and then required that the alternate version be posted for sale.

The choice was either have no app available for your customers or have the neutered version up.

FYI, most folks were smart enough to have their own 'no store link' neutered version ready and waiting so that the app approval process delay wouldn't stop customers from downloading and Apple forced their hand.

Re: Amazon removes link to Kindle store from iOS app

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Post by Hyena »

jleard wrote: post #38
Hyena wrote: post #27

Just to play devil's advocate: Apple pays for the infrastructure to host and distribute the Kindle app, which then proceeds to circumvent the payment system by offering the app for free and charging for the content from outside the Apple store. While this set up is clever and 30% is a bit of a margin on in-app purchases, it's not as if Amazon has the moral high ground here. It's providing a paid service through Apple…

The problem with Apple's position is that they provide no easy method for the user to download applications outside of their delivery channel.

Sure they do: get another tablet. It's not necessarily Apple's responsibility to be an open platform, is it?
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