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The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by [deleted] »

anyonecancode wrote: post #60
goalieca wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Starting 2 weeks from now, you won't even have to self-isolate if you test positive for COVID-19. This is a loaded question, but since covid is and will be endemic, when do we get on with our lives and start facing the mountains of other public health issues? It seems like our vaccination effort was extremely successful and had an amazing effect and there isn’t likely to be any radical new intervention for years to…

I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12. At that point the majority of those who actively want protection will be able to get it. This is not the same as saying _all_ who want protection will get it, since no vaccine is 100% effective, and some people who would like to be vaccinated will not be able to because of health conditions or other circumstances, but I s…

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Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by cvwright »

neither_color wrote: post #64
0xTJ wrote: post #20

This gives me hope for Canada, where I am, won't face too many issues even as we slowly start to tick up from the bottom since major reopening happened, allowing indoor dining etc. In the last week, we've passed the UK in number of fully vaccinated people, but that's going to be slowing down as we start running of people who got their first dose during the big surge in shots here. Unfortunately, at 64% of the total p…

Since when is Texas a pejorative? By itself it would be a world top-15 economy, and its pandemic performance was not an outlier or exceptional. If anything it, along with Florida, demonstrated that extremely strict lockdowns don't correlate to better outcomes. Nothing like Alberta.

I think it's more that they both have cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Stampede

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by filmgirlcw »

mixedmath wrote: post #15

I read this and think it's well written. I see it's published in The Intelligencer, which is apparently an offshoot of NYMagazine. I'm not particularly familiar with either, but I hadn't realized that news-type things would be discussed in them. Does anyone here have anything to say about their quality or their relevance to people who don't live in NY?

New York Magazine is certainly centered on New York City, but like many other New York-named publications (including the unrelated New York Times newspaper and the New Yorker magazine), it is actually national in scope. And many of the stories can even be international, insofar as culture and a not insignificant American export.

It has always been well-regarded, think of it as a more puckish New Yorker (although in recent years, The New Yorker has certainly taken on more personality, especially online), and I would argue, was one of the first “prestige” magazines to really embrace online and digital expansion. It took until well into the 2010s for a lot of the Condé Nast and Hearst publications to even integrate their digital and print newsrooms, with digital often being treated as an afterthought. New York Mag really embraced online early and as a result, didn’t have the same identity issues once the bottom dropped out of print’s profitability. It used to be a weekly magazine but swapped to biweekly seven or eight years ago.

I’ve been a subscriber since I was in college (which was before I moved to New York City), which coincided with the online push and the reign of editor-in-chief Adam Moss (who was EIC from 2004-2019), and since 2004, I believe NYMag has won more National Magazine Awards (which are sort of the magazine world’s equivalent of the Pulitzer Prizes, albeit with less prestige) than any other publication.

There are several “verticals” for New York Mag, which include Vulture (culture), The Cut (lifestyle and more of a focus on women), Grub Street (restaurants and bars), Intelligencer (tech, politics, ideas).

Vox bought the magazine a few years ago, but it operates relatively independently from the other Vox media sites (Vox, The Verge, etc.), at least as far as editorial content goes. (I’m sure they share resources like HR and some ad sales stuff, same as Conde and Hearst and Meredith.)

*I don’t and have never worked at New York Mag, but as a former New York City-based journalist, I have friends who do or have worked there and I’ve met Pam Wasserstein, the former CEO (current president of Vox Media), socially a few times.

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by merpnderp »

nawgz wrote: post #69
neither_color wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when is Texas a pejorative? By itself it would be a world top-15 economy, and its pandemic performance was not an outlier or exceptional. If anything it, along with Florida, demonstrated that extremely strict lockdowns don't correlate to better outcomes. Nothing like Alberta.

Don't you think that both of these very red states are likely to have fudged the data the most out of anyone? I have seen that the numbers aren't so much worse than other places but I struggle to believe the data coming from these places. Additionally, pandemic aside, it should be clear that their policies are rooted entirely in oligarchy and have no concern for the population or its health (short- or long-term), the…

So your political prejudices are causing you to grasp at conspiracy theories? This is umpossible on the internet!

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by chippiewill »

tsywke44 wrote: post #35
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #2

Important and underexamined question. What happened in the UK?

Night clubs opened and were PACKED, a lot of young people were unvaccinated, causing hundreds of superspreader events every night for a few weeks. The % of total population who actually visits nightclubs is pretty low, so it took like a monh for this segment to hit herd immunity basically

That's not what happened. Cases started going _down_ right as nightclubs opened.

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by timr »

anyonecancode wrote: post #60
goalieca wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Starting 2 weeks from now, you won't even have to self-isolate if you test positive for COVID-19. This is a loaded question, but since covid is and will be endemic, when do we get on with our lives and start facing the mountains of other public health issues? It seems like our vaccination effort was extremely successful and had an amazing effect and there isn’t likely to be any radical new intervention for years to…

I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12. At that point the majority of those who actively want protection will be able to get it. This is not the same as saying _all_ who want protection will get it, since no vaccine is 100% effective, and some people who would like to be vaccinated will not be able to because of health conditions or other circumstances, but I s…

> I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12.

Children are at exceptionally low risk from Covid. It's time to stop with fear, uncertainty and doubt, and deal with facts.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

In the US, 340 children under 17 have died from Covid. Total. During the same period, 187 have died from the flu, and over 51,000 children have died from all causes:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...

The reason the vaccines aren't being approved for children is that there is compelling evidence that children are at greater risk from the vaccines than the virus. This is why (for example) approval for vaccination of children and teenagers is split across Europe, and the UK has restricted access to only children with known vulnerabilities:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-19/u-k-to-gi...

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/european-countries...

> At that point the majority of those who actively want protection will be able to get it.

This is less about what the children want, and more about anxious adults want, and that is unconscionable. Kids are largely at the mercy of their parents, so it's essential that the regulatory bodies tread carefully on this issue. We don't need kids to be vaccinated to reduce Covid to a manageable seasonal illness on par with the flu.

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Post by bee_rider »

ls612 wrote: post #61
nicoburns wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have actual flu then it wouldn't be uncommon to be ill for that long

For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were referencing

For unvaccinated people it can be quite a bit worse than the flu. The degree of empathy afforded those folks seems to be a subject of active debate I guess...

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by anyonecancode »

timr wrote: post #76
anyonecancode wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12. At that point the majority of those who actively want protection will be able to get it. This is not the same as saying _all_ who want protection will get it, since no vaccine is 100% effective, and some people who would like to be vaccinated will not be able to because of health conditions or other circumstances, but I s…

> I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12. Children are at exceptionally low risk from Covid. It's time to stop with fear, uncertainty and doubt, and deal with facts. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w In the US, 340 children under 17 have died from Covid. Total. During the same period, 187 have died from the flu, and over 51,000 children have di…

> Children are at exceptionally low risk from Covid.

Let's hope the die keep rolling up to that result with each succeeding variant!

Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by [deleted] »

anyonecancode wrote: post #78
timr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd imagine not too long after safe and effective vaccines are authorized for children under 12. Children are at exceptionally low risk from Covid. It's time to stop with fear, uncertainty and doubt, and deal with facts. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w In the US, 340 children under 17 have died from Covid. Total. During the same period, 187 have died from the flu, and over 51,000 children have di…

> Children are at exceptionally low risk from Covid. Let's hope the die keep rolling up to that result with each succeeding variant!

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Re: The UK’s delta surge is collapsing

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Post by danenania »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #2

Important and underexamined question. What happened in the UK?

Oh fun: the game where everyone puts their pet biases forward in an attempt to explain the behavior of a poorly understood complex system.

It reminds me of the financial news. "Commodities markets are spooked as backlash to latest Justin Bieber video mounts!"

In all seriousness, apart from the vaccination rate and strictly enforced lockdowns, I have yet to see an explanation for cases going up or down in a particular region that isn't contradicted by the results in some other region. I think we should just admit that except for vaccines and physically forcing 90% of the population into isolation, we don't have a clue what works and what doesn't.

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