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Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

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I don't think Dollar General is the bad guy so much as a symptom of a problem. As it is, they're often in low income areas and have a high markup. Grocery stores have low margins that prevent them from entering these markets (hence food deserts). Dollar General fills that niche - but as a result low income people who already spend a disproportionate amount of their income on groceries have to pay that higher markup a…

outside of 'food deserts', there may be other factors people shop at DG. There's one a block from my office, and I drop in there now and then to get stuff (snacks, or light bulbs, or whatever). Almost every time I'm in there, I'll see an older person doing what seems to be a weekly shop (or more) - they'll ring up $70+ of stuff - canned/packaged foods. Clearly stuff for meals. They then get in to a taxi or rideshare…

> I can't think of a way to intrude that isn't intrusive or patronizing. :/

Because it is, people can spend their money however they like and they can value convenience or have any other reason to shop there. Also being old doesn't make them incapable of deciding where to shop.

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#122
post #7

The gut-reaction is that this is some horrible thing rather than a scalable business model that provides low-cost goods to customers in rural areas that were previously underserved. My family in rural Oklahoma and Texas have to drive over an hour to Wal Mart, the dollar stores have a similar but curated subset of goods at a cheap price, and the distance is much closer. HN monoculture loves to crap all over things lik…

The difficulty is that it can be both. Dollar stores almost certainly do SOME kind of good, otherwise they wouldn't exist. Unlike SV startups, I doubt the companies behind them are interested in burning piles of money without turning a profit. They ARE turning a profit, which means people are coming it, which means people find the service offered attractive. That said, people also find the service offered by drug dea…

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Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

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The root problem is the populace being too poor to afford fresh fruit. Blaming dollar stores is a waste of time.

If we have a semi functional system and a change made to it worsens the populations health it is more reasonable to stop this change and reverse over hoping for revolutionary change. If some company has a buisness model that has negative externalities they should be taxed more for it. When taxing is not responsible because this would hit the poor dispropoertionally the buisness model should be banned.

It would be much easier and less corruption prone to just enact wealth transfers, especially via giving people more education opportunities and enhancing labor laws to allow time to invest in one's self.

Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

#124
post #16

It's not clear to me what the problem is that the article is outlining. The Dollar General near me has the exact same brands as you would find in any larger retail establishment, they just have found a way to stock the 80% that folks typically need. They are filling a niche between the gas station convenience store and traditional grocery/big box retail. They don't have a produce section, just a bit of fruit. Is that…

The problem as I understand it is that products aren’t priced in a grocery store to all have the same margin. So the prepared foods and toiletries get marked up to make up for low margins on fresh fruit. Wealthier customers are fine with this as they want to not have to make two trips and they will pay for the fruit. Dollar stores ditch the fresh stuff and just take a lower margin on the toiletries and prepared food…

In rural areas there's also competition from the Farmer's Market/roadside stalls. Especially during the summer.

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A brand new Dollar General opened up in my town a few weeks ago. They are much cheaper than the two other local outlets on anything that they cross over on (frozen foods basically). Prices in my local area are very high and it is not an economically prosperous area to begin with.

I have visited a few times and while there are a few things it would make more sense to purchase there than locally, every other checkout interaction was truly awful. It isn't a big deal really, and the younger staff there clearly don't have much retail/working experience. But I'd rather not have to waste several minutes on what should be an in-and-out trying to get the cashier to understand that I should be getting substantially more back in change than she is trying to give me.

Ultimately I don't actually do much grocery shopping locally either way, because the prices are so high that it makes more sense for me to go 40 miles to Costco/Wal-Mart or about the same distance in the other direction to the Commissary on an AFB once a month.

I'd be okay paying a little more to support the local businesses, but most things are selling for double or more locally, and that is a non-trivial markup for me. So I mostly stock up on perishables locally in between big grocery runs.

Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

#126
post #45

Brings to mind Vimes' "'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness", from Terry Pratchett's Discworld: "The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and…

I know this is fiction, but is it really possible to have boots that last 10 years?

a decent pair of redwing boots will run $200-300 and last 18-24 months in a job walking daily before needing a resole ~150 that can be done 2-3 times. mine that I wear a couple times a week I got 18 years ago and have had to do a $50 re-heel of them is it. giving them 48 hrs to dry after wearing really extends the life of the leather

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#127
post #40

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After a couple of levels of indirection, I think the whole argument hinges on one anecdote. It might indicate a general pattern, but no actual authoritative sources back it up. Original Article quotes "growing evidence suggests these stores are not merely a byproduct of economic distress. They’re a cause of it. In small towns and urban neighborhoods alike, dollar stores are triggering the closure of grocery stores, e…

Dollar General comes in and offers local consumers a bargain that local consumers strongly prefer. Accordingly, local consumers vote with their feet. Unless the master plan is to run competitors out of town and then change to "Two Dollar General", it seems like Dollar General is good for consumers (at least if you judge by consumers' own revealed preferences).

Then my taxes pay for the people that got sick trying to survive off Dollar General.

Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dollar General comes in and offers local consumers a bargain that local consumers strongly prefer. Accordingly, local consumers vote with their feet. Unless the master plan is to run competitors out of town and then change to "Two Dollar General", it seems like Dollar General is good for consumers (at least if you judge by consumers' own revealed preferences).

What is good for consumers may not be good for communities though. I'd argue that there is significant harm perpetuated on economies by the migration of wealth away from wages and small-scale profits of local businesspeople into the profits of large companies.

That's a common refrain for "buy local", but is that always true? It seems to depend on many assumptions...

1) That the local business owner will invest back into the community, more than the chain store would have. Sure, some of that revenue will go towards employees, local sales tax, charitable donations, etc., but the same could be said of the chain store. The rest of the profit... what's to stop the local owner from accumulating savings in a national bank, or investing in out of area stocks, crypto, etc.? Unless they were thinking of expanding/franchising their store, their actual investments (as opposed to costs) may or may not be in the local economy vs whatever has the highest ROI.

2) That the local consumers who saved money from the chain store wouldn't simply spend that money at other local businesses. Let's say the chain store saves 1000 customers $10 each, that's $10k of unspent money that could be organically used at other businesses, vs that $10k being funneled into the control of a single small-business owner who might just invest it elsewhere. On average, there's probably a higher chance of 1000 customers spending at least SOME of that money locally than that one local business owner deciding to.

3) Small local businesses typically do not have the economies of scale that benefit pricing and processes, which means they don't have the same margins, which means they might not be able to afford good wages & benefits for their staff, or have to pass on those costs in the form of higher prices for local consumers (who then have less money to spend on other businesses).

4) Most market goods are fungible and UPCed and distributed across the whole country anyway, whereas things like schools and real estate are strictly local/geographical. Money consumers save can be spent on their own immediate family needs, building community by allowing them to afford actual roots instead of just shopping local and supporting that one small business owner.

5) Small businesses tend not to have a very diverse labor force (in terms of skill sets), especially if they're retail. That means the local labor pool has limited employment options beyond low-end service jobs. Especially in a post-COVID employment landscape, large digital-savvy companies probably offer a more realistic pathway out of rural poverty (i.e. people can learn skills, work for remotely for one, but stay local). The small local mom-and-pops can only very rarely offer that to local residents... maybe they contract a local print shop or two, but rarely do they employ full-time marketers, designers, artists, coders, architects, sustainability people, etc.

Basically the whole "buy local" argument seems to stem from the idea that your money is better in the hands of a small business owner than Jeff Bezos's pockets. Maybe that's true in some statistical sense, but it also misses the savings that YOU keep and can spend how you see fit, including investing in your community in actual, non-trivial ways (employment, real estate, schools, local government, marriage, etc.). Buy local might be good for local business owners, but I don't think it's necessarily good for local consumers or local communities. I'd be happy to see data showing otherwise though...

Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dollar General comes in and offers local consumers a bargain that local consumers strongly prefer. Accordingly, local consumers vote with their feet. Unless the master plan is to run competitors out of town and then change to "Two Dollar General", it seems like Dollar General is good for consumers (at least if you judge by consumers' own revealed preferences).

It's not really great for them when they leave the store and go back to being citizens of their communities. The dollars they just spent aren't being reinvested by the local owner, they're going to a private equity firm based in New York. That's pretty clearly extractive, rather than being a mutually beneficial relationship.

Most grocery stores are also chains not opened by locals.

Re: Dollar stores make up nearly half of all new store openings in the U.S.

#130
post #40
post #16

It's not clear to me what the problem is that the article is outlining. The Dollar General near me has the exact same brands as you would find in any larger retail establishment, they just have found a way to stock the 80% that folks typically need. They are filling a niche between the gas station convenience store and traditional grocery/big box retail. They don't have a produce section, just a bit of fruit. Is that…

After a couple of levels of indirection, I think the whole argument hinges on one anecdote. It might indicate a general pattern, but no actual authoritative sources back it up. Original Article quotes "growing evidence suggests these stores are not merely a byproduct of economic distress. They’re a cause of it. In small towns and urban neighborhoods alike, dollar stores are triggering the closure of grocery stores, e…

Amusing. My personal experience is that DG is awesome. Before DG in the town I'm familiar with if you wanted to buy basic office or school supplies, basic OTC medical supplies that were not a gas-station 2-pack of aspirin, essentially any cookware, or a better variety of packaged goods than the local mediocre grocery store (like detergent, snacks, juice, sauces) you had to drive over 20 miles. The produce that DG does have is fresher than the local store and they also don't try to resell expired meat. Now people can use way less gasoline for their basic needs. Now senior citizens with limited mobility can drive slowly or take a golf cart to DG. Rather than "eroding prospects" it adds to sales tax revenue and makes the town more attractive for tourists, remote workers, and other people who are relocating. Dollar stores also have a small land footprint and use few utilities.
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