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Anyone managed to find a job paying over £300k based in the UK (you, not necessarily the job)? My pay has stagnated and I never see those SV rates advertised here. All contracts seem to top out around £750-800 p/d. Looking for full remote, normal hours etc. Golang, python, K8s, AWS devop. 8 years

Same boat with a slightly different stack. The only people I know above that mark in the UK are doing 2-3 contracts at the same time. I haven't done that myself and not planning to.

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I know this is off topic, but what's missing from your life right now that those extra 300k+ will buy you? Just out of curiosity.

Currently making $430K. Upgrading to $720K. That $300K gives me more flexibility, mobility, and choice in just about anything I want to do. Totally removes any financial stressors.

Are you willing to be more specific? I come from a pretty middle-class background. What financial stressors do you have?

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Lol I've seen this in action, lots of staff devs being architecture astronauts or diving super deep on a hot new technology, and meanwhile some intern is building the stupid webapp that actually gets used and makes money.

I would love to be an architect. It's all concepts and not really implementation beyond proof of concept. Concepts and problem solving is right up my alley. Unfortunately I need to be at least a senior dev before they will consider me. Plus it's like double my salary. Oh well.

At Mozilla at least, the architects are all some of the best programmers I know. They implement huge swaths of the architecture they propose.

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They pay top-end for the local market. However, if a competitor comes in paying Bay Area salaries for remote work, that can be a lot higher than local wages.

After extensive research, I've found that almost no companies are paying Bay Area salaries for remote work outside the US.

My anecdote is the impact that GitLab's hiring in New Zealand is having on applicant's salary expectations.

https://nz.linkedin.com/jobs/gitlab-jobs?position=1&pageNum=...

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I would love to be an architect. It's all concepts and not really implementation beyond proof of concept. Concepts and problem solving is right up my alley. Unfortunately I need to be at least a senior dev before they will consider me. Plus it's like double my salary. Oh well.

At Mozilla at least, the architects are all some of the best programmers I know. They implement huge swaths of the architecture they propose.

That's nice. The people who are architects at my company are generally very good developers since you have to be a highly regarded senior dev to even be considered to the position. They don't work on the implementation though.

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That site names salaries almost 50-100k higher than what I see on other salary sites in Canada. Does the site only aggregate top paying companies, or is the Canadian tech sector actually way more robust than I thought?

The Canadian tech sector has completely changed over the past 5 years (which is when I first came to Canada). When I first got here, $100k+ salaries were rare unless you were very senior or at a select few companies. I am now looking for a job in Toronto after working for a FAANG for a few years and often see companies offering over $200k for mid-level positions. However I will say that level.fyi is a little unrepres…

If you look at the details on levels.fyi, you tend to see a bell-curve, just as you might expect if you had a representative sample.

Compensation really is as high as levels.fyi suggests, and even higher once stock growth is factored.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25092246

> That means doing getting multiple offers within the same time period before you accept one. I need help on getting to the salary negotiation part with multiple companies at the same time though. This is the instruction booklet for landing a lunar lander on the Moon. I need the one for the Saturn V.

1st: interviewing is a game. Treat it as such. Leetcode like hell. Tune your behavioral responses to the stated principles of the target company, and your experience/resume to the needs of that company.

2nd: Submitting resumes goes nowhere. You need referrals. Ask for them shamelessly. You don't need to know the referee. That will at least get your resume looked at. This is their game, so play it.

3rd: have an idea of the timeline to an offer for various companies. Do your Google/Facebook interviews early, more nimble companies later. Start the whole thing off with some practice interviews at companies you don't like. The goal is to have multiple offers in play at the same time.

4th: Don't tell recruiters about your other offers until it's too late and they've decided that they want you. Only tell them about offers that they might compete against (usually their direct competitors), 2 others max. If you'd work at company A for $80 b/c they have a cool product, but would need $100 to work at company B b/c they suck, when you tell company B about your offer at company A, fudge that company's numbers upward. Otherwise, you'll get an offer for $81 from company B and turn them down.

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My experience is that this is an ongoing problem. For years there have been relatively few junior positions. No company wants to train people.

This also means that if you can afford to hire junior folks, you can get some real go-getters for a great (read, favorable to the company) salary. But even junior salaries are going up, I've noticed.

You can also end up with apps that report "not hot dog." Had a situation like that with a recent college grad and for some reason my colleagues approved an absolute trash PR (as I was trying to talk the junior through why her code was garbage).

Next PR, more of the same. Now we have a $150k AND a (hopefully not more than) $65k dev fiddling with a simple change.

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This also means that if you can afford to hire junior folks, you can get some real go-getters for a great (read, favorable to the company) salary. But even junior salaries are going up, I've noticed.

I think junior average salary at my company is around $75k now. Seniors are around $115k. A $40k gap is pretty big. I don't know. I feel like most dev compensation is kind of random. Like does that senior really produce $40k more in value per year?

Easily, most of the time. They can make decisions quickly that juniors aren't even qualified to consider.

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Evaluating value is usually not straightforward, unless the person was working alone it is always a subjective thing. If a junior is given a project alone, then they may provide zero value to the company if they can't complete it, but if they were paired with a senior, then together they should provide more value than the senior alone. Similarly, a manager's value is more indirect by providing a direction for the tea…

Yeah, but that's kind of my point - it's not easily calculated, so how can we say a senior easily provides an extra $40k. If we are saying the manager can make a lot because they're basically directing 10 people. If you have a security expert on a team of 10 people, should they be worth similar? After all, the tool is likely worthless if it's insecure, making all those efforts by others fruitless. I guess I'm just sk…

You are being pedantic developer fixated on numbers as a measure of value across the group. The world does not work this way. The business makes a decision based on what it takes to get what they need and salary can easily vary based on social aspects afterward. The number tells you something, but not everything.
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