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Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by giantg2 »

mooreds wrote: post #306
giantg2 wrote: post #117

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My experience is that this is an ongoing problem. For years there have been relatively few junior positions. No company wants to train people.

This also means that if you can afford to hire junior folks, you can get some real go-getters for a great (read, favorable to the company) salary. But even junior salaries are going up, I've noticed.

I think junior average salary at my company is around $75k now. Seniors are around $115k. A $40k gap is pretty big.

I don't know. I feel like most dev compensation is kind of random. Like does that senior really produce $40k more in value per year?

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Post by mattm »

refenestrator wrote: post #342
nostromo wrote: post #252

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Most companies track how many people you green light and if you do it too often you may not be given any more interviews.

I was a rubber stamp and found myself in high demand to interview in a location the company was trying to staff up rapidly.

Your internal recruiters must love you

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Post by daenz »

celim307 wrote: post #350

* what are you guys using to find high quality remote jobs? I used to use builtinseattle but that’s of course region specific and I’d ideally like to go fully remote. HN and LinkedIn are my best options? * if I’m making 300k at nonfaang, and don’t feel like doing these crazy ass LC interviews, is it even worth it to look? Or is 300k+ all LC?

If you don't mind me asking, are you making 300k at a non-faang? What do you do there?

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Post by VirusNewbie »

gavinray wrote: post #158
the_only_law wrote: post #148

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> What sort of software do you have to be writing besides magic money printing machines for it to be worth that amount of money? My understanding is that you have to get into FAANG or be in certain roles at certain HFT firms. I’m also pretty sure these are TC numbers are large chunks of those numbers are stock options.

Even in FAANG I have a hard time understanding how any developer is worth that amount of money though. I know a solid number of FAANG and ex-FAANG devs -- the stuff they work on (from what I've heard) isn't much different from the sorts of software I assume most people in SaaS startups work on. Outside of scale (which is significant). A lot of it is internal tooling though, which never hits absurd amounts of scale. I…

You don't make doctors go through 8 years of med school and residency because you want to make them great at treating colds and sewing up stitches, you do it so when the edge case appears they don't accidentally kill someone.

In the same way, even 364 days a year the dev is doing completely boring work that someone making 80k could do, the one day they have the potential to do work that takes down the site for even minutes is worth the $ delta!

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Post by voidfunc »

warent wrote: post #92
yosito wrote: post #89

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This negotiation tactic works fine if you don't have to do full day coding challenges to get to that phase, while also working a full time job.

These days I just immediately turn those down without a second thought. It's a joke of an interviewing system and your time is way too valuable for that. Happy to do coding questions, but not 8 hour long take-home projects. Those have screwed me too many times

I have a different strategy, I will happily do one one or two take home exercises (and I'm willing to sink 8-16h into them) but I will tell the recruiter I'm not doing any additional coding on-site (personally I find this high-anxiety, and a crappy way to gauge skill). Happy to chat about all kinds of things, but if someone drops an involved coding question in an interview I'm done and I will walk out and not return future calls.

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

novok wrote: post #56
ianai wrote: post #23

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If someone’s going to hire you remote shouldn’t you demonstrate your ability to communicate well in text and elaborate on what makes you a good choice in a well written, directed cover letter?

In my entire decade+ career in bigtech, I've never used or looked at a single cover letter. Cover letters are a waste, and rightfully ignored.

Hiring is the topic where people are most eager to assert what's important or useless, normal or weird.

And they contradict each other, constantly. This is what the difference in culture between companies is.

We can't even globally define what a resume/CV is.

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Post by mark-r »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #163
Redoubts wrote: post #114

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Meh, honestly just shoot for it. The worst they can say is no, and a lot of job reqs are just long wishlists anyways. Hell, pick a dumb company you'll never want to work for, like Uber, if you want real-world practice. Then you at least know what real-world failure looks like.

I'm back in the job market and it doesn't even seem like HR has a clue what programmers do. My favorite was: "Must be fluent in: C#, .NET, and .NET Framework..."

I've found that the understood meaning of .NET has changed from when the term was first defined by Microsoft. Originally it meant the C# language and the multi-language library that it employed. Now it means specifically the parts of that library that are used for server applications.

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Post by celim307 »

daenz wrote: post #383
celim307 wrote: post #350

* what are you guys using to find high quality remote jobs? I used to use builtinseattle but that’s of course region specific and I’d ideally like to go fully remote. HN and LinkedIn are my best options? * if I’m making 300k at nonfaang, and don’t feel like doing these crazy ass LC interviews, is it even worth it to look? Or is 300k+ all LC?

If you don't mind me asking, are you making 300k at a non-faang? What do you do there?

I’m at unity, you can look me up, senior software eng.

Original grant wasn’t meant to be that much but stock ipo’d well

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Post by ryanSrich »

tcbumperino wrote: post #83

Once you’re coasting in the 400-500k FAANG range, what’s the optimal move to get 700-800k+? Seems there are too many graybeards to get a Principal title. Better to switch to manager role? Or VP eng type at some startup and hope your stock hits? Or maybe VP at some non tech company?

Even a super well funded startup isn’t going to pay you half of what you’re making at a FAANG if you’re at that level, even for a VP job. The best a startup will be able to do is mid 200s, maybe 300. Why not just stay at a FAANG if you’re already there and coasting? I couldn’t mentally handle working for a FAANG but if you’ve done it long enough and well enough to get to $600k per year you might at well just stick it out until you’re 40 and then retire.

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

gavinray wrote: post #158
the_only_law wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What sort of software do you have to be writing besides magic money printing machines for it to be worth that amount of money? My understanding is that you have to get into FAANG or be in certain roles at certain HFT firms. I’m also pretty sure these are TC numbers are large chunks of those numbers are stock options.

Even in FAANG I have a hard time understanding how any developer is worth that amount of money though. I know a solid number of FAANG and ex-FAANG devs -- the stuff they work on (from what I've heard) isn't much different from the sorts of software I assume most people in SaaS startups work on. Outside of scale (which is significant). A lot of it is internal tooling though, which never hits absurd amounts of scale. I…

I agree about Facebook engineers especially - the website is just broken. Where is all that talent going, Horizon?
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