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Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by acharp »

Zhyl wrote: post #74

A headline in Linux gaming circles that hasn't hit the wider circuit yet (probably because it hasn't actually been delivered yet) is that Valve are working with Battleye and EAC to get anti-cheat working on Proton for the release of the steam deck. If this happens it will be, without exaggeration, the greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming. I'm not expecting a massive increase overnight, but it should mean tha…

I really wonder how they're gonna do that tho, like implementation wise. I suspect either they are gonna have some sort of deal where VAC can be swapped in, or they're working on some secret sauce kernel module that implements Battleye and EAC.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by matheusmoreira »

gentleman11 wrote: post #224
weare138 wrote: post #173

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Sure it sucks but ultimately it's the user's decision and Proton will allow the porting of other Windows apps. If you can use it to run a AAA game it could easily handle business apps. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they'd switch to Linux but can't because it doesn't run [ insert some Windows app here ]. It's a net gain for Linux adoption.

It’s not the users decision though. They don’t even realize this creepy software gets installed and they don’t know what it does

Yeah. Nobody reads terms and conditions, privacy policies... At least a decade ago I remember seeing one that reserved the right to scan my processes, my memory, my file system, take screenshots at any time as well as exfiltrate all of this data to remote servers. Basically a RAT.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by feanaro »

krageon wrote: post #152
junon wrote: post #145

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The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

The malware is there regardless, this is about Linux marketshare. You can dislike it (and I do) without gatekeeping your favourite operating system because people want to run software on it that you don't approve of.

The trouble is it will be opaque and now I have to worry about one more opaque dystopic thing when installing games over Steam. I'll consider it Valve's transgression against me if they let me install anti-cheat malware without warning me any less strongly than screaming at me.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by matheusmoreira »

clifdweller wrote: post #229
junon wrote: post #145

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The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

I hope it is a 2 way discussion between each side where they can make suggestions. On windows it turned into install this antivirus level of access program that has barely been tested and no guarantees it wont install malicious software as it auto updates every boot of pc. At a minimum it should require 3rd party(valve could step in) validated signed patches to minimize threat of individual employee selling off right…

There is no discussion. In order to prevent cheating, the game companies must stop my computer from doing what I want it to do. They must own my machine. The only difference between their software and malware is their software comes with a terms and conditions license that nobody reads.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by _y5hn »

lillecarl wrote: post #260
_y5hn wrote: post #84

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For hardcore gamers, the added stability of Linux and choosing when to update, could be a big plus. Provided, hardware compatibility (there's always a caveat!).

I'd say Windows 10 VS NixOS unstable, Windows is more stable, has better functioning drivers. I still use NixOS to host a Windows VM because I like the userspace more, but the "WiNdOwS iS L3Ss StAbLe" meme doesn't hold very true for consumer hardware. Servers will be more stable on Linux because the manufacturers incentives aligns with yours, you buy our hardware to run Linux, we make sure it runs well on our hardwar…

Mint works consistently for me now. Of course, there were fixes I had to implement myself. But I get to decide my own upgrade cycle, and can always timeshift everything back (like System Restore). The OS convergence of features are high, so differences are small today. Hopefully Pulseaudio and such stuff that often break can become better.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by feanaro »

jjice wrote: post #162
junon wrote: post #145

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The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

While true, and most of us here at HN will probably agree, tons of people don't care, and that's clear by how many people play games that require it.

People can't care because people don't adequately know or understand.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by lillecarl »

_y5hn wrote: post #265
lillecarl wrote: post #260

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I'd say Windows 10 VS NixOS unstable, Windows is more stable, has better functioning drivers. I still use NixOS to host a Windows VM because I like the userspace more, but the "WiNdOwS iS L3Ss StAbLe" meme doesn't hold very true for consumer hardware. Servers will be more stable on Linux because the manufacturers incentives aligns with yours, you buy our hardware to run Linux, we make sure it runs well on our hardwar…

Mint works consistently for me now. Of course, there were fixes I had to implement myself. But I get to decide my own upgrade cycle, and can always timeshift everything back (like System Restore). The OS convergence of features are high, so differences are small today. Hopefully Pulseaudio and such stuff that often break can become better.

I would like to recommend pipewire over Pulse, it's compatible but actually really good, also ALSA compatible

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by matheusmoreira »

feanaro wrote: post #259
matheusmoreira wrote: post #245

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Correct, they're completely irrelevant. Of all the affronts to computing freedom, anti-cheating is the worst. The truth is the online gaming model where we play with untrustworthy strangers is completely broken. We should all be playing with friends we can trust instead.

Completely agreed. Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? Sounds absurd when you put it in proper terms, that is someone else taking control over your computer.

> Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway?

No idea. Who cares if some random guy cheats really? It's nothing compared to losing our computing freedom. Actual important stuff that matters. Same fundamental issue as DRM which nearly everyone agrees is bad.

Our computers are ours and game companies just need to deal with it. If people are gonna cheat, then so be it.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by tracedddd »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #245
zaarn wrote: post #240

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And the needs of other players to have a fair game are also irrelevant then? After all, you're the top rank in CS:GO not because of your skill but because you simply exercise your freedom to have everyone else play against your computer.

Correct, they're completely irrelevant. Of all the affronts to computing freedom, anti-cheating is the worst. The truth is the online gaming model where we play with untrustworthy strangers is completely broken. We should all be playing with friends we can trust instead.

I wouldn’t install anti-cheat malware personally, but I think many of the people who want to play these games care more about not having cheaters in their games than having ring 0 control.

They’re extremely passionate about their skills and want nothing more than a fair playing field. Playing only with friends is not a real solution.

Computing freedom means you have the freedom to give up control, too. It’s your choice.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by Zhyl »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #255
Zhyl wrote: post #250

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I think I'd just recommend you not play games with anti-cheat. I'm not sure why you'd buy games with anti-cheat if you don't like anti-cheat though.

I bought those games decades ago. Anti-cheating software used to be a lot more tolerable back then. They were still obnoxious malware but at least they were not literal drivers with vulnerability-as-a-service ioctls that give the games and everything else free access to ring 0 from user space. They were also optional, I could find game servers that didn't require the software.

Which games did you buy decades ago that now use Battleye and EAC?
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