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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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lol as if those are comparable governments.

I bet the targeted journalists and oppositionists feel much better because countries like Saudi Arabia spied on them with software from good governments, just like the people in Mexico are glad they get shot by good german weapons instead of evil russian ones.

...wait why are you leaving the u.s. out of any of your examples?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Oh yeah Israel's / Jewish people history was super pleasant, no we had a good time with the West for sure.

This is the other thing: the US backed Israel because Israel was strong; Israel was not strong because the US backed them. At the end of the mandate period, Israel was the only country in the region with a real military, because the UK had just spent the last decade training and arming that military. At the time, the US was virulently antisemitic (see McCarthy era stuff for examples), as was most of europe.

In 1948 Britain armed the Arab armies(or just left the equipment). Israel had to procure some crappy weapons undercover all around the world, but even that was not enough. Their airplanes didn't even have enough bombs, dropping bottles(or was it sacks) to scare away 10 countries strong army.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

There’s plenty of criticism for those regimes at baseline. The goal is to reduce the amount of surveillance. It is cheaper to convince the NSO group to raise its customer standards or to provide more direct oversight than to convince each regime to stop these activities. Obviously we should try both, but I suspect pressure on NSO will reduce more harm in the short run because they have more to lose.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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This spyware can install onto any iPhone or Android phone and spy on everything you do silently. It's a game changer for governments and their ability to intrude on our lives. It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic.

I do firmly believe US government, Apple and Google have the patriotic duty to stop NSO and close these zero-click, zero-day vulnerabilities. Are they seriously allowing foreign governments and other unscrupulous parties to infiltrate and spy whomever they wish, just because it is also convenient for them?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.

The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore.

Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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post #116

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"Terrorist sympathizer" is a milder slander than the one they really like to use for critics of Israel's actions, "antisemitic".

Aren't Arabs also "semitic people" [1]? (Since Ishmael and Abraham are also descendants of Shem...). In this case "antisemitic" would also mean "against Arabs"... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

This is embarrassing.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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It’s not “bordering” on racist - it is racist! It is sad to see this dehumanization towards Arabs from this community. Posters like this show that they believe that maintaining and increasing US hegemony at the expense of third world peoples is moral.

I never said I agreed with US policy. I just think this is the main reason why US policy is how it is. If you don't understand why people do things, you can't convince them to do otherwise.

So what’s your suggestion for ending US support of Israel?

We can start by recognizing that under no context was what has been done by the US and Israel in the Middle East (and beyond) ever acceptable.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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post #93

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You can't assess these things (or anything in real world) alone, but in context of what's going on in the whole world (and what isn't). After that, its on everybody how they view their personal freedom and themselves vs the averaged good of the whole nation/civilization.

Who gets to define the greater good? We had share morals at one time with religion but that's been tore down relentless so what are those shared ideals now. The fact of the matter is that eradication is impossible so what are we actually trying to achieve here. Reduce impact on health care? Maybe we should ban smoking and alcohol then or maybe MacDonalds, where is the line?

> The fact of the matter is that eradication is impossible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderpest

And in-progress:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_dracunculiasis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria

Your claim is empirically false.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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No, sorry, you don’t get it to lump the Jewish people into this. It’s incredibly dishonest on your part to even go in that direction and you should feel embarrassment for trying to steer it towards that.

Steer what to where? Are you saying Israel's history and present are not connected to Jewish history and the 20th century atrocities? That's an extremely bizarre position to hold.

The Balfour Declaration was well before WWII. Israel was always a colonization project.
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