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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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How does selling spyware to authoritarian governments so that they can monitor activists and journalists “prevent another Holocaust”?

It keeps up a good working relationship with many countries who would otherwise be pressured to be hostile towards Israel. It's a diplomatic tool and it worked, see the new Abraham Accords.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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"It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic." Did any of his statements really need vindication though? Have we not known about this forever? (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON ) I suspect the real problem is, and always has been, our perceived inability to change any of it.

ECHELON is way worse then Pegasus though, cause ECHELON / PRISM / whatever you don't even need spyware on your phone or to be targeted to be scooped up in their net.

Mass interception over the wire affects more people, but it's easier to defend against using cryptography.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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I’m not surprised that all statements from the Israeli government are filled with nothing. “We need to understand what happened” means “sorry not sorry”. This spyware is invaluable for the Israeli government because they have something that repressive Arab regimes want. These regimes can’t be bought with money, because some of them like Saudi Arabia and UAE have plenty of money. Israel needs friends and this is a gre…

Well from an Israeli point of view how is this wrong then? Maintaining a good relationship with Saudi Arabia is a game changer for Israel.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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That's ridiculously short sighted and bordering on racist. Let's bomb all of Israel's infrastructure, arm various militias in the country and put economic sanctions on them for 20 years that limits the country to a grain-for-food programme and you'll quickly see Israel join in as a regional "basketcase."

It’s not “bordering” on racist - it is racist! It is sad to see this dehumanization towards Arabs from this community. Posters like this show that they believe that maintaining and increasing US hegemony at the expense of third world peoples is moral.

I never said I agreed with US policy. I just think this is the main reason why US policy is how it is. If you don't understand why people do things, you can't convince them to do otherwise.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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This spyware can install onto any iPhone or Android phone and spy on everything you do silently. It's a game changer for governments and their ability to intrude on our lives. It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic.

What makes this technically possible? I.e, isn't one of Apple's main arguments for needing an app store so that they can prevent this kind of thing on a hardware and software level?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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What I find funny is this: "Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals, so it can't be used the wrong way" "We made sure that it doesn't work against US phone numbers". That is straight out of "A Few Good Men": If Colonel Jessup ordered the soldier should not be touched, and soldiers follow orders, why was the victim scheduled for a plane ride off the base?

Genuinely kind of surprising they thought such a transparent lie would still work.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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> Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. > it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people…

> Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. Interesting you say that. I read around and nowhere does it say their aim is to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read, it says the organisation wants to resist the Zionist occupation. Looking at the Wiki (perhaps the most easily available source of information), it references a book on…

> I went to a wedding of a my friend whose Grandpa is Jewish and at the wedding he was making a speech

Sorry what the hell does this prove? Is this anecdote a theory that all Jews think that and somehow implement this thinking regarding Palestinians? ?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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As others have mentioned, the source you're citing is at best highly questionable. The amount of leaps the article makes is just out of this world, mostly that this Israeli company has Israelis involved, and that Israelis who have experience with mathematics and computer work also serve their mandatory military service in an intelligence unit of the military rather than as foot soldiers and that an Israeli company ha…

The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat.…

Israel also had amazing bipartisan support in America. It seems like Netanyahu purposefully made Israel a partisan issue in the US in order to accomplish some short term goals, which was probably very short sighted.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat.…

Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.

The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here.

Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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That's ridiculously short sighted and bordering on racist. Let's bomb all of Israel's infrastructure, arm various militias in the country and put economic sanctions on them for 20 years that limits the country to a grain-for-food programme and you'll quickly see Israel join in as a regional "basketcase."

Oh yeah Israel's / Jewish people history was super pleasant, no we had a good time with the West for sure.

This is the other thing: the US backed Israel because Israel was strong; Israel was not strong because the US backed them.

At the end of the mandate period, Israel was the only country in the region with a real military, because the UK had just spent the last decade training and arming that military.

At the time, the US was virulently antisemitic (see McCarthy era stuff for examples), as was most of europe.

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