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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Not weird at all, given the recent uptick in anti-israel sentiments in the left, and uptick of antisemitism worldwide

I get it. Calling out chinese, russian and north korean hacking = fighting cyber terrorism. Calling out israeli hacking = antisemitism

lol as if those are comparable governments.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Oh yeah Israel's / Jewish people history was super pleasant, no we had a good time with the West for sure.

This is the other thing: the US backed Israel because Israel was strong; Israel was not strong because the US backed them. At the end of the mandate period, Israel was the only country in the region with a real military, because the UK had just spent the last decade training and arming that military. At the time, the US was virulently antisemitic (see McCarthy era stuff for examples), as was most of europe.

Any sources for that claim? That's a super complicated issue and saying "because Israel strong!" seems a bit simplistic to me.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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I agree. I just think if I was working for the US state department, and I was sizing up various countries around the middle east to build a partnership with, I would choose Israel every time. The only country that comes close is Turkey, and they have coups every couple of decades. I think the reasons why the ME is so unstable are a bit complex, but it's also not really relevant. If you're interested in a stable regio…

Considering that the only metric for supporting a Middle Eastern group is that they have to be pro-Israel, of course Israel becomes the natural choice. It’s not about stability considering that Israel is a constant powder keg. That in itself is just the catch-22 of US foreign policy in the Middle East. The right decision - if you had the best interests for the US and the region - is to completely withdraw. Any other…

The basic goal of US foreign policy has been to maintain a network of US allies and partners around the world, who can be relied upon to protect US strategic interests, like access through the strait of Hormuz.

Nations like Qatar or SA are fine, but ultimately they are dictatorships that occasionally do stuff like chop up journalists, so you don't invest that much into them. The US had a very close strategic partnership with Iran, which was in this mould, and it didn't turn out very well.

Israel, on the other hand, is a western-style settler-colonial state that has never had a coup, has a strong civil society, and frankly could have gone to the USSR at any point in the cold war and they would have been just fine.

Obviously, if you don't want the US to be a global hegemon, this policy doesn't make sense. However, the US state department almost always does, so this policy is totally rational from their perspective.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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That's a very questionable source. With such an overtly anti-Israel position, that's probably best taken with a large pinch of salt.

I'm not familiar with the source, but can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? I see nothing wrong with condemning the actions of the Israeli government, nor questioning why one of the prominent exports of the Israeli technology sector is surveillance. I keep being contacted several times a year by established Israeli companies to add spyware into my projects. A couple of weeks ago I wa…

As a EU citizen I don't criticise Israel for their weapon exports to much as that would be heavily hypocritical and it would also neglect the fact that EU officials actually want to implement said surveillance towards its citizens. That is not a fault of Israel, even if you want it to be.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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What about Hamas's charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " I posted it above and was downvoted. This quote, and the rest of their charter is filled with crazy stuff.

I already replied to your comment above: Article Thirty Six "It will never set out against any Muslims or against the non-Muslims who make peace with it, here or anywhere else. It will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit." It's clear you are pushing some sort of narrative here, rather than objectively looking at the facts. I woul…

You can deny it, but there is a severe problem with antisemitism among Hamas and the Palestinian population. Even in kids because they learn it in school.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat.…

Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.

Not only the old guard. Pretty much anyone in power with very few exceptions. There is some merit to it though.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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I’m not surprised that all statements from the Israeli government are filled with nothing. “We need to understand what happened” means “sorry not sorry”. This spyware is invaluable for the Israeli government because they have something that repressive Arab regimes want. These regimes can’t be bought with money, because some of them like Saudi Arabia and UAE have plenty of money. Israel needs friends and this is a gre…

Well from an Israeli point of view how is this wrong then? Maintaining a good relationship with Saudi Arabia is a game changer for Israel.

Is the current world any different from Skyrim or Game of Thrones? Do you think it should be? Real, not facetious questions I'd be curious to discuss.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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This spyware can install onto any iPhone or Android phone and spy on everything you do silently. It's a game changer for governments and their ability to intrude on our lives. It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic.

"It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic." Did any of his statements really need vindication though? Have we not known about this forever? (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON ) I suspect the real problem is, and always has been, our perceived inability to change any of it.

India could have been outraged at the news two years ago but we had to reach this point.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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I get it. Calling out chinese, russian and north korean hacking = fighting cyber terrorism. Calling out israeli hacking = antisemitism

lol as if those are comparable governments.

I bet the targeted journalists and oppositionists feel much better because countries like Saudi Arabia spied on them with software from good governments, just like the people in Mexico are glad they get shot by good german weapons instead of evil russian ones.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Well from an Israeli point of view how is this wrong then? Maintaining a good relationship with Saudi Arabia is a game changer for Israel.

Is the current world any different from Skyrim or Game of Thrones? Do you think it should be? Real, not facetious questions I'd be curious to discuss.

Not sure what you're asking. I think from the dissident's point of view it's a tragedy. From Israel's point of view it's business and maintaining good relationships with people who can become an enemy in a heartbeat. How is this different from Western countries selling arms by the billions? That's also not always about money but about diplomacy.
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