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How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by normac2 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #190
normac2 wrote: post #187

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Yeah, to be honest, parts of this message I'm having trouble even parsing as information. If you've had/seen interactions like this where the other person just seemed too literal-minded, I'd ask you to think about whether your ability to explain it is also contributing. Maybe it's a bit of both. Certainly, I don't pretend this stuff is easy to explain to an outsider. But I think of people like the clearest defenders…

The POV of psi researchers these days is more like "psi phenomena might or might not exist, but if they do exist they're mischievous enough that there's no way they're going to show up unambiguously in a rigorous controlled experiment!" In this sense the physical effects of higher or "spiritual" magick are indistinguishable from psi, and for the same reason they're most likely not going to impact our understanding of…

Interesting take. It's analogous to religious arguments defending the idea of miracles. I don't say that in principle the world must be causally closed and bound by natural laws; only that it seems very likely, as it enough to explain an insanely huge ratio of what we already witness, and the quality of the evidence for other stuff is very low.

I just finished with a quick edit to my post to be more specific, but I suspect your answer would be similar either way.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by _game_of_life »

Lammy wrote: post #137
_game_of_life wrote: post #110

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Yeah, what the actual fuck. This really makes me question the audience on this site... Does anyone have any alternatives to hacker news? Preferably ones with more skeptics than there are occultist and "demonologist" morons? Fucking bizarre.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

I forget, is your quote attributable to Michael Scott or Wayne Gretsky?

You assume I've neither read the article or researched demonology. I have.

All of the neopagan bullshit and demonic sigils can be traced back to obvious frauds starting in the 19th century, when occultist grifting was in vogue.

This is a simplistic article on an already childish subject.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by trasz »

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #188

If you have ever messed with the demonic and you want to feel safe again here is a prayer you can say out loud that will help: Father God, I come to you in the Name of Jesus, declaring that no weapon that is formed against us shall prosper and every tongue which rises against us in judgement we do condemn. This is our heritage as servants of the Lord and our righteousness is from You, O Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 54:17).…

Even assuming the daemon thing would work, and that the daemons would turn out to be evil, why do you assume it’s your religion that would work, and not one of thousands others?

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by dr_dshiv »

a1369209993 wrote: post #186
ithinkso wrote: post #28

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To this day, constructive mathematicians at eBay are trying to close the remaining loophole in the ban's reasoning

Not really. The axiom of excluded middle is false* because it's a universal quantification, and consequently includes pathalogical cases like "This proposition is false."; there are plenty of specific classes of proposions on which resticted versions of excluded middle are valid, just like there are plenty of classes of sets (eg all well-founded sets) that have well defined membership despite Russel's paradox. *: Giv…

I've seen the law of excluded middle used to deny the existence of platonic idealism. But I really don't get it. I'd love to understand your explanation better.

If soul=psyche (as in Plato) then it seems easy to sell access to the attention. But if soul is referring to an ideal noetic form, then it's hard to understand how immaterial ownership would work without a material intermediary.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by ben_w »

anthk wrote: post #181
praptak wrote: post #168

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Yes, the conflict of omniscience and free will is known in theology. I think they try to solve it by redefining omniscience to "being able to know everything but also being able to exclude stuff from one's knowledge".

Then there's no omniscience, because excluding oneself would cancel it.

“Can god create a paradox so mind bending even he gets confused?”

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by Lammy »

_game_of_life wrote: post #192
Lammy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

I forget, is your quote attributable to Michael Scott or Wayne Gretsky? You assume I've neither read the article or researched demonology. I have. All of the neopagan bullshit and demonic sigils can be traced back to obvious frauds starting in the 19th century, when occultist grifting was in vogue. This is a simplistic article on an already childish subject.

You seem pretty caught up in your own emotions on this topic and are missing my point entirely. These stories and ideas still came from human minds, and that's the part that interests me even if I think the claims are fraudulent.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by 3gg »

trasz wrote: post #193
yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #188

If you have ever messed with the demonic and you want to feel safe again here is a prayer you can say out loud that will help: Father God, I come to you in the Name of Jesus, declaring that no weapon that is formed against us shall prosper and every tongue which rises against us in judgement we do condemn. This is our heritage as servants of the Lord and our righteousness is from You, O Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 54:17).…

Even assuming the daemon thing would work, and that the daemons would turn out to be evil, why do you assume it’s your religion that would work, and not one of thousands others?

Well, it was their religion that was in large part used to wipe out every pagan religion and culture that existed prior to it -- and then some more -- and submit the heathens to the true god. So, obviously, this must be the one :)

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by onecommentman »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #138
tuckfrump666 wrote: post #131

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Nobody has come up with a SaaS for renting your dignity

Instagram and YouTube are two known sites for doing just that. You loan out your dignity when you become an influencer, and have it come back when everyone forgot about that chapter of your life.

The Internet never forgets. Never. People may forgive and be forgiven, but the Internet never forgets.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by quesera »

_game_of_life wrote: post #192
Lammy wrote: post #137

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“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

I forget, is your quote attributable to Michael Scott or Wayne Gretsky? You assume I've neither read the article or researched demonology. I have. All of the neopagan bullshit and demonic sigils can be traced back to obvious frauds starting in the 19th century, when occultist grifting was in vogue. This is a simplistic article on an already childish subject.

As technologists, we play in complicated contructed worlds, with rules and rituals, and obscure variations and debatably non-stochastic processes, created by other people all day long (and sometimes all night).

You don't have to believe in demons (or third normal form, or agile) for the body of knowledge to be interesting.

Some people take it pretty seriously, and some people do it for fun. Like LARPing.

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