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Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by criddell »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #77

The part in the article about finding time to work out hit hard. He's right: there is so little time to work out because it takes 1hr to work out and 1hr to travel/clean up: 2hrs is a big deal when you only have ~4 hours free hours per day to take care of life. That made me pretty depressed, not just for me but for every overweight person who is being shamed about not exercising. You have to exercise a lot to alter y…

> shelling out $30 to rent

My family of four can pay $30 + grocery store food costs to have dinner and a movie or we can pay around $100 to go see a movie and have dinner at Alamo. $30 is a bargain.

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by namdnay »

deepnotderp wrote: post #75
namdnay wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40? And you’re skipping a few thousands of years of civilization between hunter gatherers and the industrial revolution. I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

> And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40? Transitioning to farming is what dropped lifespans. https://theconversation.com/hunter-gatherers-live-nearly-as-...

It says in your article that life expectancy at birth was 25 years for hunter gatherers societies. Now that’s in great part due to infant mortality, but where does this lower infant mortality come from? Advanced civilization with doctors, medicines and machines that can keep mothers and babies alive,

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by kktkti9 »

kktkti9 wrote: post #22
mindslight wrote: post #15

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So disappointingly predictable that you're being downvoted. It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it, and all that. If interest rates were up at 8%, there would be a lot fewer bets of the type of "litter the sidewalk with scooters and hope some money falls into them". The entirety of Surveillance Valley is basically a play to parlay overabundant moneta…

Pseudoscientific is the default state of the mind. Propaganda research became behavioral economics, advertising, marketing, and various psychology programs, but surely that’s not been used socially to titillate biology and insert desired talking points in that excited state from childhood forward. It can’t simply be we were easily mesmerized by what are really banal statistics extrapolated from speculating on the mov…

By “It can’t simply be…” I mean economic theory as a basis for accepted political norm.

Which form of meta-analysis we use to normalize against politically isn’t up for debate in the market of free ideas and information exchange.

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #80
ilamont wrote: post #5

Western economies, particularly that of the United States, have been built in a very calculated manner on gratification, addiction, and unnecessary spending. Calculated, like in planned-economy, directive-from-the-top? I disagree. A lot of the "fluff," as the author describes it, is excess capital finding its way to things people find pleasurable, whether it be dope, travel, beauty, or rock and roll. Purveyors of suc…

You may be being unrealistic about the role of spontaneous personal choice in this. To a surprising extent, people find things pleasurable because they're told to find them pleasurable. No one sane would inhale burning carcinogenic leaves to damage their own health, but people do - because they're encouraged to. People buy new phones because they're somehow "cool". No one is really sure why, but it's something that h…

Certainly advertising makes people want to start smoking or maybe continue. But people smoke because it gives them a high from the nicotine. Why do you think people were smoking in 1700? Because the nicotine made them feel relaxed, good and they became addicted.

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by namarie »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #45
pipthepixie wrote: post #30

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I like the concept. There are even young people experimenting with retirement but for typically one year, also known as a 'gap year' where they don't work/study - they just explore.

In Europe, a gap year has been a thing for couple decades now, if not more.

It's been a thing since at least the 1660s, when people called it a "Grand Tour".

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by tome »

namdnay wrote: post #66
slv77 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Longer work weeks we’re mostly confined to Industrial Age city populations that didn’t have access to land to farm. Few laborers working in early industrial mills was doing so because it was easier then farming. Agfa, Foraging and hunter-gatherer populations, work about 20 hours per week and transitioning to farming increased working hours. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.h... !Kung spend 4…

And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40? And you’re skipping a few thousands of years of civilization between hunter gatherers and the industrial revolution. I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

"Hunter-gatherers do not experience short, nasty, and brutish lives ... there appears to be a characteristic life span for Homo sapiens, in that on average, human bodies function well for about seven decades."

https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3...

Encyclopedia of Evolutionary Psychological Science

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by SavantIdiot »

criddell wrote: post #81
SavantIdiot wrote: post #77

The part in the article about finding time to work out hit hard. He's right: there is so little time to work out because it takes 1hr to work out and 1hr to travel/clean up: 2hrs is a big deal when you only have ~4 hours free hours per day to take care of life. That made me pretty depressed, not just for me but for every overweight person who is being shamed about not exercising. You have to exercise a lot to alter y…

> shelling out $30 to rent My family of four can pay $30 + grocery store food costs to have dinner and a movie or we can pay around $100 to go see a movie and have dinner at Alamo. $30 is a bargain.

You're proving my point: that same film is $100 in the cinema. $100!! But the Overton window pushed you into thinking $30 is a bargain. You think that wasn't intentional?

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by deepnotderp »

namdnay wrote: post #82
deepnotderp wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40? Transitioning to farming is what dropped lifespans. https://theconversation.com/hunter-gatherers-live-nearly-as-...

It says in your article that life expectancy at birth was 25 years for hunter gatherers societies. Now that’s in great part due to infant mortality, but where does this lower infant mortality come from? Advanced civilization with doctors, medicines and machines that can keep mothers and babies alive,

Not really, it’s due to healthier moms and sanitation, as evidenced by socioeconomic disparities in infant mortality and higher infant mortality in the U.S. relative to other developed countries.

The U.S. example in particular refutes your “overwork = good” thesis

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by 41209 »

pipthepixie wrote: post #30
martincmartin wrote: post #4

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FIRE = Financial Independence, Retire Early for those who don't know.

I like the concept. There are even young people experimenting with retirement but for typically one year, also known as a 'gap year' where they don't work/study - they just explore.

Before Covid made it impossible, I wanted to do this for at least 6 months. I still hope I get the chance to travel for an extended period of time .

Re: Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010)

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Post by namarie »

namdnay wrote: post #66
slv77 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Longer work weeks we’re mostly confined to Industrial Age city populations that didn’t have access to land to farm. Few laborers working in early industrial mills was doing so because it was easier then farming. Agfa, Foraging and hunter-gatherer populations, work about 20 hours per week and transitioning to farming increased working hours. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.h... !Kung spend 4…

And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40? And you’re skipping a few thousands of years of civilization between hunter gatherers and the industrial revolution. I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

>I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

The work was seasonal, though. They built up their reserves for winter, when I imagine they didn't have to work nearly as hard.

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