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Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by rjd »

nextparadigms wrote: post #37
joe_the_user wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it. Google's policies are more aggressively invasive than Facebook. They were a company I had some sympathy for. No longer.

Facebook will delete you if you have fake names, too. Mark said at e-g8 too when asked why isn't he allowing people to be anonymous on their network, and he said he knows anonymity can be a useful thing, too, but he's trying to make a social network where people use real names. I fail to see how Google+ is any different. Use your own name and you'll be fine.

You are totally wrong about that, most of my musicians friends use there stage names, and recently I've been working in big media and all the journalists and writers use fake names as well. Quite common for high visibility people to do this.

Facebook seems total fine with it (or turns a blind eye) as long as its actually you (and not a troll account).

I used a nick name myself as I wanted to see if any spam started heading my way with that name. None so far, been using Facebook since it went public. Never a peep out of them.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by cageface »

darklajid wrote: post #47

So - recently we had a thread where someone was mocked because he wrote about future steps he (might?) want to take. This is what I did, just now: - Renamed my profile. It had my real name before, but I gave it voluntarily. Forcing people to use it is below my moral standards. I won't shed a single tear if they throw me out, I can find enough animated gif images elsewhere. - Thunderbird is downloading my mail archive…

What about email? None of the GMail alternatives seem comparable.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#63

Post by teyc »

skore wrote: post #42
saurik wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That philosophy, however, completely goes against the entire concept of Google+ "circles": to let you present yourself differently to one circle than you do to another.

Not really. As you say - you can behave differently to different people. That doesn't change your person - it only changes what facet of your person is obvious to others. So the "true self" concept actually is very agreeable with the "facets of me" concept. It's also similar to the difference between "private" and "public" life - My coworkers have no particular interest or value in knowing how I bring out my trash, b…

There is no "person". Only context.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#64

Post by joe_the_user »

rjd wrote: post #61
nextparadigms wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook will delete you if you have fake names, too. Mark said at e-g8 too when asked why isn't he allowing people to be anonymous on their network, and he said he knows anonymity can be a useful thing, too, but he's trying to make a social network where people use real names. I fail to see how Google+ is any different. Use your own name and you'll be fine.

You are totally wrong about that, most of my musicians friends use there stage names, and recently I've been working in big media and all the journalists and writers use fake names as well. Quite common for high visibility people to do this. Facebook seems total fine with it (or turns a blind eye) as long as its actually you (and not a troll account). I used a nick name myself as I wanted to see if any spam started h…

Up vote this point...

Facebook pretty much allows pseudonyms in practice whatever they say. If Google+ is actively stepping on the pseudonym accounts of people with well-known names, it's a problem - seriously.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#65

Post by frio »

cageface wrote: post #62
darklajid wrote: post #47

So - recently we had a thread where someone was mocked because he wrote about future steps he (might?) want to take. This is what I did, just now: - Renamed my profile. It had my real name before, but I gave it voluntarily. Forcing people to use it is below my moral standards. I won't shed a single tear if they throw me out, I can find enough animated gif images elsewhere. - Thunderbird is downloading my mail archive…

What about email? None of the GMail alternatives seem comparable.

This is the one thing that's holding me back. I'm happy enough to switch to IMAP clients and whatnot, but setting up my own Postfix/Dovecot in a VM that's got a decent antispam setup is somewhat prohibitive. I wish there was a simple, preconfigured Linode (/whatever alternative you prefer) appliance for email - there's a real market for one currently, and I'd happily hand my cash over.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#66

Post by zavulon »

white_devil wrote: post #44

Your move, Mr. Cutts.

To be fair, I don't think Matt should be expected to respond to every complaint about Google on HN. Nobody appointed him the official Google spokesperson on HN, he's just another visitor here. Google is a huge corporation and AFAIK, Matt has nothing to do with Google+.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by darklajid »

cageface wrote: post #62
darklajid wrote: post #47

So - recently we had a thread where someone was mocked because he wrote about future steps he (might?) want to take. This is what I did, just now: - Renamed my profile. It had my real name before, but I gave it voluntarily. Forcing people to use it is below my moral standards. I won't shed a single tear if they throw me out, I can find enough animated gif images elsewhere. - Thunderbird is downloading my mail archive…

What about email? None of the GMail alternatives seem comparable.

That's why the trend seems to be (and I'll follow for now, as an easy way to migrate) to grab free Google Apps on your domain.

You still need to backup your mails (run an imap/pop client somewhere) in the case that Google locks you out. But in that case mail to you is targeted at _your_ domain, you just drop the DNS entries for GApps and set up your mails _then_.

(More clever: Set it up before, but don't list it as MX. That way as soon as DNS propagates you're able to receive mails again)

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by quicksilver03 »

frio wrote: post #65
cageface wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about email? None of the GMail alternatives seem comparable.

This is the one thing that's holding me back. I'm happy enough to switch to IMAP clients and whatnot, but setting up my own Postfix/Dovecot in a VM that's got a decent antispam setup is somewhat prohibitive. I wish there was a simple, preconfigured Linode (/whatever alternative you prefer) appliance for email - there's a real market for one currently, and I'd happily hand my cash over.

Two questions, if you don't mind:

- what do you consider "a decent antispam setup" ? I've started using a greylist implementation and it has some inconvenients, but is the best antispam measure I've ever had

- what makes you say that there's a real market for an email appliance ?

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#70

Post by cageface »

darklajid wrote: post #68
cageface wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about email? None of the GMail alternatives seem comparable.

That's why the trend seems to be (and I'll follow for now, as an easy way to migrate) to grab free Google Apps on your domain. You still need to backup your mails (run an imap/pop client somewhere) in the case that Google locks you out. But in that case mail to you is targeted at _your_ domain, you just drop the DNS entries for GApps and set up your mails _then_. (More clever: Set it up before, but don't list it as M…

Google's already locked me out of one domain for no apparent reason at all, so I guess I'm already at step 2.
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