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Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by vladd »

paganel wrote: post #30
vladd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eric Schmidt: The people who built the Internet did not get a stable version of identity; You need identity, in the sense that you are a person, this is who you are these are your friends and so on … The issue on the Internet is not the lack of Facebook, the issue on the Internet is the lack of identity. (from http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/09/eric-schmidt-on-gauging-goo... ) See also http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/h…

> The issue on the Internet is not the lack of Facebook, the issue on the Internet is the lack of identity. How would one use PirateBay with a real identity? Or browse porn websites? Or anonymously flirting with people in chat rooms? What's wrong with this Internet?

Personalized search and targeted ads can be monetized very well when you have strong identity.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by simias »

Well the good point is that google lets you delete your google+ profile easily (without losing your gmail or other parts of your google account).

I've never used Facebook because I value my privacy and was naïve enough to think G+ would be the white knight that would save us all. Way to kill your hype, Google.

Please don't think I'm bitter or it's a ragequit, I'm just glad I leave now before I become "addicted" to the service. I'd definitely be willing to try the service again, if they fix their policies.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by clobber »

dstein wrote: post #25
forkandwait wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why I downvoted you: Objective discussion which leads to new ideas and solutions is generally hampered by name calling and over-generalization, which just leads to "my side is best, your side sucks" ... "no, my side is best, your side sucks". Add in the emotional charge, and people forget to think about what they say before they open their mouths. I think you might have a point lurking in your polemic, like "I am afr…

Well I didn't intend to write an essay proving something's that's fairly obvious. I think Google's intentions look harmless on the surface, but there may be some sinister consequences if they continue down this road. And at the very least, they have a bad PR problem on their hands because I can't be the only one left with a bad taste in my mouth about this corporation. Google's strategy is to entice you to give up al…

I bet Google probably doesn't care all that much. Users are product sold to advertisers.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by jonknee »

celticjames wrote: post #5

I'm not sure I understand the real name policy of either Facebook or Google+. Isn't the whole point of a social graph that it is personally curated by me? The identities of my friends/circles are verified by me.

A nice side effect is the civility of discussions. People tend to be much less likely to spam/troll when their real identity is tied to it. Look at the difference in comment quality between YouTube and Facebook for example.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by WordSkill »

I only wish I could be suspended!

My profile has been "under review" for over THREE WEEKS, meaning that my profile is invisible to others and I am unable to do anything with my Google+ account, not even make comments, until some notional human within Google looks at it and makes a decision.

The irony is that, if I were suspended, I could least click that link to appeal the decision. As it stands, waiting for a review, I can do nothing.

My "crime"? I had a non-standard character in my old Google profile name, where it was not a problem but which was automatically carried over to my Google+ profile. I changed it as soon as I became aware of the problem but, more than three weeks later, I am still awaiting review, possibly permanently.

How the Hell has Google, a company of supposedly intelligent people, allowed such an obvious and avoidable problem alienate some of their previously enthusiastic users?

If a profile is automatically suspended (or, worse, placed "under review"), it should be automatically reinstated if the offending character is removed, it should not require human intervention, especially as Google have so clearly allocated no humans to the task.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by joelhaus »

dstein wrote: post #25
forkandwait wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why I downvoted you: Objective discussion which leads to new ideas and solutions is generally hampered by name calling and over-generalization, which just leads to "my side is best, your side sucks" ... "no, my side is best, your side sucks". Add in the emotional charge, and people forget to think about what they say before they open their mouths. I think you might have a point lurking in your polemic, like "I am afr…

Well I didn't intend to write an essay proving something's that's fairly obvious. I think Google's intentions look harmless on the surface, but there may be some sinister consequences if they continue down this road. And at the very least, they have a bad PR problem on their hands because I can't be the only one left with a bad taste in my mouth about this corporation. Google's strategy is to entice you to give up al…

  > Google's censorship cooperation with China was fairly
  > despicable. And they only started changing after they were
  > publicly humiliated by PBS
Interesting, do you know where to find both of these stories (or just the PBS story)?

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by nextparadigms »

joe_the_user wrote: post #18
Wickk wrote: post #4

"To help fight spam and prevent fake profiles, use the name your friends, family or co-workers usually call you." And this is what bothers me about this whole ordeal. Google's playing a stupidly dangerous ( in regards to making people want to use their services ) game of determining whats a "real" name before we're asked of all things to show our ID? That's a little absurd for a social networking client. We get why y…

That's it. Google's policies are more aggressively invasive than Facebook. They were a company I had some sympathy for. No longer.

Facebook will delete you if you have fake names, too. Mark said at e-g8 too when asked why isn't he allowing people to be anonymous on their network, and he said he knows anonymity can be a useful thing, too, but he's trying to make a social network where people use real names.

I fail to see how Google+ is any different. Use your own name and you'll be fine.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by Wickk »

nextparadigms wrote: post #37
joe_the_user wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it. Google's policies are more aggressively invasive than Facebook. They were a company I had some sympathy for. No longer.

Facebook will delete you if you have fake names, too. Mark said at e-g8 too when asked why isn't he allowing people to be anonymous on their network, and he said he knows anonymity can be a useful thing, too, but he's trying to make a social network where people use real names. I fail to see how Google+ is any different. Use your own name and you'll be fine.

Some users are getting locked out of their entire google accounts, not just G+. That's the difference.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by asdkl234890 »

nextparadigms wrote: post #37
joe_the_user wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it. Google's policies are more aggressively invasive than Facebook. They were a company I had some sympathy for. No longer.

Facebook will delete you if you have fake names, too. Mark said at e-g8 too when asked why isn't he allowing people to be anonymous on their network, and he said he knows anonymity can be a useful thing, too, but he's trying to make a social network where people use real names. I fail to see how Google+ is any different. Use your own name and you'll be fine.

Not being on any social network is starting to get inconvenient, even for (I'm old) me. But if this no fake name thing stays with G+ then I'll be joining the Anon+ network.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Post by dstein »

joelhaus wrote: post #36
dstein wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I didn't intend to write an essay proving something's that's fairly obvious. I think Google's intentions look harmless on the surface, but there may be some sinister consequences if they continue down this road. And at the very least, they have a bad PR problem on their hands because I can't be the only one left with a bad taste in my mouth about this corporation. Google's strategy is to entice you to give up al…

> Google's censorship cooperation with China was fairly > despicable. And they only started changing after they were > publicly humiliated by PBS Interesting, do you know where to find both of these stories (or just the PBS story)?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cyberspace/jan-june06/google_...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june10/google_01...

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