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I'm also at Google. Every single one of my reports who are intending to return to office have expressed concern and stress over unvaccinated peers in the office. Every single one.
If this is truly the case, a mandate wouldn't be necessary. Every single one of these people would have been vaccinated already. So why the mandate?
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> people want to go against things because of the people telling them to do something. Yes, it's reverse psychology. The effect is to maximize death rates among the demographic group to which anti-vax has been successfully marketed. > SJWs shouldn’t tell me. SJWs aren't the ones campaigning for vaccines. Center-left technocrats are. Big difference.
That's true, but they are the foot soldiers for the technocrats. Like Mao's Red Guard, they are the ones enforcing it on the ground, ousting dissidents and running the struggle sessions. They humiliate, bully, ostracize, get people fired, destroy reputations. Without them the technocrats would have far less power.
It's been interesting to watch the center attempt to embrace enough of the (further) left to address the legitimate concerns (and remove fuel from the fire), without swallowing the poison.
It's also been interesting to watch Trump et al conflate the radicals with the center. They say nonsense like "Nancy Pelosi's far-left agenda", and people believe them. What absurdity.
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If this is truly the case, a mandate wouldn't be necessary. Every single one of these people would have been vaccinated already. So why the mandate?
Good or bad.. The mandate clearly addresses the concern, correct?
Good or bad, killing everyone on earth addresses the concern of world hunger, correct?
Obviously I'm exaggerating for a point here. The point is "Good or Bad" is not immaterial to deciding if a solution should be implemented.
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I'm also at Google. Every single one of my reports who are intending to return to office have expressed concern and stress over unvaccinated peers in the office. Every single one.
If this is truly the case, a mandate wouldn't be necessary. Every single one of these people would have been vaccinated already. So why the mandate?
The point is that the presence of unvaccinated people is going to cause stress and problems for other people who are less productive and happy at home and want to return to the office but feel unsafe doing so knowing that they would be sharing space with unvaccinated people.
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If this is truly the case, a mandate wouldn't be necessary. Every single one of these people would have been vaccinated already. So why the mandate?
Google has 130,000 employees. I've got ~10 reports and not all of them are coming back to in-person work. If 10% of the company doesn't want to get vaccinated, there is a reasonable chance that none of those people end up on my team. The point is that the presence of unvaccinated people is going to cause stress and problems for other people who are less productive and happy at home and want to return to the office bu…
Everyone wins, no intrusion into people's personal choices about what to put in their bodies.
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Google has 130,000 employees. I've got ~10 reports and not all of them are coming back to in-person work. If 10% of the company doesn't want to get vaccinated, there is a reasonable chance that none of those people end up on my team. The point is that the presence of unvaccinated people is going to cause stress and problems for other people who are less productive and happy at home and want to return to the office bu…
How about "If you aren't vaccinated we're not going to fire you, but you can't work in the office" Everyone wins, no intrusion into people's personal choices about what to put in their bodies.
This appears to be the policy. Googlers can apply for permanent remote work as well as temporary extensions of up to a year beyond the main RTO date.
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How about "If you aren't vaccinated we're not going to fire you, but you can't work in the office" Everyone wins, no intrusion into people's personal choices about what to put in their bodies.
> "If you aren't vaccinated we're not going to fire you, but you can't work in the office" This appears to be the policy. Googlers can apply for permanent remote work as well as temporary extensions of up to a year beyond the main RTO date.
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Having to put something in your body is different than most requirements. Only thing that's close is childhood vaccination I guess.
They can drug test you. Isn't that just controlling what you are allowed to put in your body?
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All such bad examples. It's not nearly as intrusive to say you can't bring your firearm or wear a tie. It's literally a momentary thing, now I a wear a tie now I don't. To compare that to forcing somebody into taking a novel vaccine with questionable long- or even short-term health effects is absolutely disingenious and quite cynical to be frank.
How about comparing it to requiring people to get vaccines? This already happens in schools. When I went to work in a local school district it was required to have a TDAP vaccine.
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What do you think of abortion? I agree about body autonomy but it frustrates me to no end to see woman asking for this basic right, even when their lives depend on it and it being denied, sterilization is also not easy to obtain for a woman. But then comes someone who is scared about potential side effects to a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic crisis, so much so that they're willing to risk their peers and they co…
I have the right not to get the shot. I control my own body. But there are others involved, not just me. In the same way, with abortion, there's another involved, the fetus. It's not part of the mother's body (it's genetically different). The "it's my body" argument breaks down in the same way for both issues. Unfortunately, both sides want to pick and choose when they apply which logic.
while in the vaccine situation we're talking about actual already born humans who are walking around the unvaccinated person every day and there's no debate there, the risk is real, and the other people can actually be verbally vocal about not wanting to be involved with unvaccinated people.