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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by mlindner »

floatingatoll wrote: post #195
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #93

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> This is an achievement to be proud of. I mean I'm all for reducing power consumption, but is having a mild climate an achievement to be proud of? I'd guess that California's main population centers have fewer degree days away from 72 F than any other state in the country. By default, you'd expect their power consumption to be the very lowest. (The other states close to CA in consumption per capita have much worse c…

It’s not looking like a mild climate anymore, if that offers any comfort.

As someone who lives here, no, it's quite mild.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by Marsymars »

Filligree wrote: post #120
c3534l wrote: post #97

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You probably waste more electricity running your dishwasher instead of by hand than running a laptop. If battery usage is a problem because of climate change, then tax carbon and you can decide to cut back or pay more on dish washing, food deliveries, big houses with huge heating cost and the like, and everyone who wants a cool laptop can spend their money (or carbon credits) on that. If that's what's bothersome, the…

Dishwashers are, in fact, fabulously efficient. They use far less hot water than warning by hand, and the majority of the energy spent on dishwashing is spent on heating water.

> They use far less hot water than warning by hand

This must be based on a horribly inefficient method of hand washing. Google says that a modern, efficient dishwasher uses about 3 gallons of water per load. I just went and measured the volume of my kitchen sink to roughly where it gets filled to when I'm washing an equivalent of a full dishwasher's load of dishes, and it came out to a bit over 3 gallons.

If it's not summer, I then let my hot sink water sit until it's cooled down to room temperature to avoid wasting heat.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by Marsymars »

swiley wrote: post #76
Pxtl wrote: post #60

Honestly, now that SSDs are near universal why are we bothering with sleep mode anymore anyways? Can't full hibernate be made fast enough for no-power standby?

You have to copy things for hibernate and you don't for sleep. Also because you can go into/out of sleep quickly you can periodically wake back up for notifications. MacOS and some Linux distros do this.

Windows does this too since Windows 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InstantGo

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by tomc1985 »

ghouse wrote: post #103
ww520 wrote: post #55

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Why do the electric bills keep increasing?

In part, because the fixed infrastructure is built to serve peak demand, not average consumption. Bring down the peak (flatten the curve) and the rates will come down too. Or, put differently, rates are high exactly because California per-capita usage is low -- fewer kWh across which to amortize costs. Importantly, while California rates are relatively high, customer's bills are not -- because the customers use less…

> Importantly, while California rates are relatively high, customer's bills are not

Clearly you have never dealt with SDG&E, home of the highest residential electricity rates in the country. And yes that translates to astronomical electricity bills for households

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by salawat »

emodendroket wrote: post #263
_yoqn wrote: post #154

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You're saying that the wildfires are 100% caused by heat and drought? I think you should have a look at the huge heap of evidence pointing to poor forest management being the true culprit. It's a fact of nature that forests WILL burn and the more humans interfere with nature, the more unintended consequences we'll cause. There are plenty of natural ignition sources and forests are equipped to deal with relatively low…

No, nothing is ever "100% caused by" any one thing, but it seems dishonest to act like there's no discernible link between record wildfires and record heat and drought.

It's equally dishonest to discount the positive mitigation of a reasonable fire prevention budget and burying/maintaining infrastructure. Especially when the presence of Fraud is taken into account.

The Climate may be famously closed to negotiation, but it doesn't mean human artifice need exacerbate the problem through avoiding doing necessary work.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by salawat »

emodendroket wrote: post #267
CamperBob2 wrote: post #182

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You don't have to like it, but the right of the people to rise up against an oppressive government is a founding principle of the US. That sentiment was all well and good back in the 18th and 19th century. But in the next civil war, the Mason-Dixon Line will run through your and my back yard.

I am going to be honest. I think the overlap between people for whom PC energy regulations are the last straw and people willing and able to go through the privations a civil war is sure to bring, particularly to the combatants, is pretty small.

You have no idea how powerful "Live Free or Die" is.

There is a reason the Declaration of Independence went to Great Lengths to articulate, and warn, future generations that it is their Right and Duty to rise against a tyrannical Government.

I'll be frank. The promulgation of "It's for your own good" types continue chipping away at liberties which should be some of the most prized things we cherish as a nation, has put an edge on life I've seen no precedent for in my life excepting firearm regulations, and plotted against a curve over time, it's only becoming faster to implement, more hospitable in the National Rhetoric, and less transparent as the Government goes the route of ignoring getting buy-in from the populace at large and contents itself with Industry collusions through influencing the means of production.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by emodendroket »

salawat wrote: post #276
emodendroket wrote: post #267

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I am going to be honest. I think the overlap between people for whom PC energy regulations are the last straw and people willing and able to go through the privations a civil war is sure to bring, particularly to the combatants, is pretty small.

You have no idea how powerful "Live Free or Die" is. There is a reason the Declaration of Independence went to Great Lengths to articulate, and warn, future generations that it is their Right and Duty to rise against a tyrannical Government. I'll be frank. The promulgation of "It's for your own good" types continue chipping away at liberties which should be some of the most prized things we cherish as a nation, has p…

I'm actually kind of tired of people waving around Gadsden flags and getting to make life unlivable (sometimes literally) for everyone else. Freedom can be conceived of in more than one way and not all of them are compatible with each other.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by emodendroket »

salawat wrote: post #275
emodendroket wrote: post #263

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No, nothing is ever "100% caused by" any one thing, but it seems dishonest to act like there's no discernible link between record wildfires and record heat and drought.

It's equally dishonest to discount the positive mitigation of a reasonable fire prevention budget and burying/maintaining infrastructure. Especially when the presence of Fraud is taken into account. The Climate may be famously closed to negotiation, but it doesn't mean human artifice need exacerbate the problem through avoiding doing necessary work.

One form of "necessary work" is drastically cutting emissions.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by salawat »

blondie9x wrote: post #231
mcswell wrote: post #188

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Seems like it would make a lot more sense to focus on things that really use lots of energy. Focusing on sleeping computers is like a certain wise man said a couple thousand years ago: straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

All venues need to be examined. Some with more intensity than others. But you must still look into solutions.

The hand that prioritizes the execution order of that search seems to be taking the scenic route to effectual change to the point it makes one suspect whether they are optimizing to get anything done at all, or maximizing odds of holding on to the reins of power.
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