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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #28
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your point but wonder if the legislation that bans these specifically mention computers or just any electronic device that draws more than XXXX watts per hour.

It does not matter. The correct way to reduce electricity consumption is to increase the price of electricity, aka a tax. No need for politicians to selectively pick and choose which products to gimp. For those who will retort with “but those are regressive taxes and hurt the poor”, I will say that if you want to fix people being poor, then give them cash. It is unrelated to the goals of reducing electricity usage, a…

> the difficult task of enacting even more wealth transfers is the only solution there

What? Haven’t you heard of tax brackets? If you are so keen to tax electricity more than it already is , and are concerned it would affect the poor, then use tax bracketing just like income tax does. The poor pay less by being in a lower bracket.

Having said that, higher taxes on electricity may affect businesses in a way you don’t intend.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by navjack27 »

Pxtl wrote: post #60

Honestly, now that SSDs are near universal why are we bothering with sleep mode anymore anyways? Can't full hibernate be made fast enough for no-power standby?

Exactly! Sleep mode is known to have issues. On off over the years multiple different operating systems have had issues with sleep modes. Hibernate just always works and it's quick.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by newacct583 »

c3534l wrote: post #17

I've never wanted an Alienware laptop in my life, but as a resident of Oregon there is absolutely nothing more that I want right now than an illegally powerful laptop.

The relevant regulation here seems to be for laptops, that they must have net consumption of of 30 kWh/year or less. That comes to about 3W constant power, which is a lot.

Basically the law says Thou Shalt Not Ship a Computer Without Working Idle.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by MrStonedOne »

busymom0 wrote: post #23
mustntmumble wrote: post #12

Relevant link: https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/appli... (expand the section titled Computers)

Can someone ELI5 this please?

87% + PSU efficiency at 100% and 20% load. 90% + PSU efficiency at 50% load.

Power factor of 0.9 at 50% load.

(Monitors must go to sleep within 15 minutes of no input)

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by busymom0 »

h2odragon wrote: post #51
busymom0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone ELI5 this please?

requires: + 87% + PSU efficiency + Incorporate Energy-Efficient Ethernet functionality +. Transition connected displays into sleep mode within 15 minutes of user inactivity + Transition the computer into either the computer sleep mode or computer off mode within 30 minutes of user inactivity. If the transition is to a computer sleep mode, that sleep mode shall either as described in ACPI as S3 or Consume power less t…

> Consume power less than or equal to 10 + 0.03 * C, where C is the system memory capacity in gigabytes minus 32 gigabytes (see Table V-6 in Title 20 Section 1605.3(v))

Umm what? Who came up with this? Is there any scientific basis behind this?

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by swiley »

Pxtl wrote: post #60

Honestly, now that SSDs are near universal why are we bothering with sleep mode anymore anyways? Can't full hibernate be made fast enough for no-power standby?

You have to copy things for hibernate and you don't for sleep. Also because you can go into/out of sleep quickly you can periodically wake back up for notifications. MacOS and some Linux distros do this.

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Post by shiado »

This is legally codified horizontal scaling. Blue state legislators know that taping together a bunch of cheaper computers is better than a single expensive high powered device. It's very considerate of them to force this on those who might make the classic mistake.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by ianlevesque »

Pxtl wrote: post #60

Honestly, now that SSDs are near universal why are we bothering with sleep mode anymore anyways? Can't full hibernate be made fast enough for no-power standby?

Hibernate has to persist all used memory, and RAM just keeps getting larger too.

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Post by BearOso »

porphyra wrote: post #64
kccqzy wrote: post #36

Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.

How much of that is due to the mild climate and how much is due to the energy efficiency programs?

A few months of wildfires with brownouts where only half the population can have power at a given time will save a bucketload, too.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by oofbey »

c3534l wrote: post #17

I've never wanted an Alienware laptop in my life, but as a resident of Oregon there is absolutely nothing more that I want right now than an illegally powerful laptop.

Why? Because it’s cool to break the rules? Does it matter to you that these rules are trying to protect our civilization from dissolving in a heap of wildfires, floods, power outages, droughts, storms, etc? This stuff is not just hypothetical any more.
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