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It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by zozbot234 »

crispyambulance wrote: post #62
nbcfhnb wrote: post #59

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Why is this downvoted? Both of the theories this post references were taken up by mainstream sources and both were totally fabrications. The claim about Brian Sicknick was vcompletely fabricated. If you downvoters are unaware, the story about someone dying on Jan 6th via fire extinguisher was a complete lie; the guy actually died of a stroke at home the next day for completely unrelated reasons and was unharmed at th…

It's downvoted because the issue at hand here is NOT "parity" between left and right conspiracy theories. The issue at hand is that there's a problem with resurgent "alt-right" (or whatever you want to call them) extremist groups that have demonstrated a potential for violence as well as infiltration into trusted organizations like the police. They have taken up new aesthetics, symbologies and memes. It's important f…

Violence has been coming from both alt-right and alt-left groups. There is a valid case for countering violent extremism in general, but focusing solely on one side of it is quite unproductive.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by abricot »

zozbot234 wrote: post #71
crispyambulance wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's downvoted because the issue at hand here is NOT "parity" between left and right conspiracy theories. The issue at hand is that there's a problem with resurgent "alt-right" (or whatever you want to call them) extremist groups that have demonstrated a potential for violence as well as infiltration into trusted organizations like the police. They have taken up new aesthetics, symbologies and memes. It's important f…

Violence has been coming from both alt-right and alt-left groups. There is a valid case for countering violent extremism in general, but focusing solely on one side of it is quite unproductive.

Nope. Dont Even try.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by user-the-name »

LocalChapter wrote: post #38
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

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It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

It's all just trolling, all just for the lulz, until you it's not any more. This is how radicalisation works. It starts as a joke, but it does not stay a joke.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by user-the-name »

greatgib wrote: post #69
sofixa wrote: post #54

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> As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling Are you willfully or unwilfully ignorant? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. * "innocent" trolling like 5G/Covid/magical cures conspiracy theories that literally cost lives ? * "innocent" trolling like what resulted in people getting together to try and overturn the latest US presidential elections ? * "innocent…

You confuse the causes and the consequences. And this is very very dangerous for us, because you are not the only one like that, but a lot of policy maker push for these fake arguments as it is very convenient for them to support their policies. There was an excellent article in HN that explains why you are wrong: https://www.cigionline.org/articles/disinformation-its-histo... (Discussion link: https://news.ycombinat…

No, we really don't. You do.

You're falling for the pretext that it's all just a joke. And it is, for a while. And then it's not any more.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

mmarq wrote: post #42
nudpiedo wrote: post #24

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Totally, counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore and after oppress popular culture with its ideas (else you are cancelled) now they are making a major effort trying to cancell oppositors from the institutions. Same as extreme conservatives did on the 60s.

Given that the president of the EU commission and the largest coalition in the EU parliament are conservatives and that the EU is evidently not an extreme left institution, I don’t understand why they should care about the extreme left having lost whatever you think they lost.

Weren’t we speaking about the EU? Anyway, look at the statistics from your own country for example the imbalance between university professors between left and right and how that increased in the last 30 years, specially with the cancel culture (bullying or censorship)

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

Arnt wrote: post #41
nudpiedo wrote: post #14

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The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't b…

These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left.

The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by mmarq »

nudpiedo wrote: post #75
mmarq wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the president of the EU commission and the largest coalition in the EU parliament are conservatives and that the EU is evidently not an extreme left institution, I don’t understand why they should care about the extreme left having lost whatever you think they lost.

Weren’t we speaking about the EU? Anyway, look at the statistics from your own country for example the imbalance between university professors between left and right and how that increased in the last 30 years, specially with the cancel culture (bullying or censorship)

You said:

> Totally, counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore and after oppress popular culture with its ideas (else you are cancelled) now they are making a major effort trying to cancell oppositors from the institutions.

Why do you think the European Union cares about counterculture belonging or not to the extreme left, given that the EU has, at least now, a conservative government and a conservative parliament? If they were cancelling anything, shouldn’t they be cancelling the extreme left?

On universities, I’m not sure I understand how this is related to the topic at hand nor why I should care, but I wouldn’t assume that what may be true for a few American colleges applies to all universities all over the world.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by pengstrom »

nudpiedo wrote: post #76
Arnt wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't b…

These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left. The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.

What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals.

The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows.

We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the Utøja massacre where a radicalized nationalist killed at over 60 children. Their only crime was being socialists. Several phychologists had to work him until they realized he wasn't crazy. He just believed the far right conspiracies like cultural Marxism, eurabia and white genocide. This is not a game.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

mmarq wrote: post #77
nudpiedo wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren’t we speaking about the EU? Anyway, look at the statistics from your own country for example the imbalance between university professors between left and right and how that increased in the last 30 years, specially with the cancel culture (bullying or censorship)

You said: > Totally, counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore and after oppress popular culture with its ideas (else you are cancelled) now they are making a major effort trying to cancell oppositors from the institutions. Why do you think the European Union cares about counterculture belonging or not to the extreme left, given that the EU has, at least now, a conservative government and a cons…

You seem to believe this document belong or represent anyhow any sort of European Institution but it does not, it is an independent lobby trying to influence.

Check the PDF, I think it is the second or third page next to the CC license they wrote that is clearly said the document does not belong or represent the European Union, it is an independent group who posted it there in order to present it.

UPDATE: That’s a common lobby strategy in European countries, to post a report and then mislead public opinion meaning that an EU commission or work group somehow supports their ideals or initiatives. It is really common in all sorts of topics.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

pengstrom wrote: post #78
nudpiedo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left. The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.

What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals. The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows. We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the…

Look through the years, even if recently right wing took over your major domestic terrorists are left wing. Like everywhere.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-u...

Islamic terrorists who want to push a caliphate want Arabic socialism like other African countries already enjoy nowadays with not much economical success or individual freedom. The same could you see in Spanish ETA who identified themselves as left wing “liberation” army that cost thousand of deaths and hundreds of thousands exiled. And I could continue for hours: even if exceptionally you may find right wing organizations, which do exist, these are not the majority.

And I could continue with the rest of things you said but I think refuting your main points is enough and I don’t want to speak more about politics. I made Some observations which some people seem to not share. I don’t care about the negative vote mafia organized to promote topics and ideas on HN, it happens with everything, to promote blogs, programming languages, services, functional programming…

Some people like to think by themselves and make their own analysis of the situation rather than buy the influencer opinion du jour.

This report is the typical lobby crap we see every single day in Europe, and that happens on almost any topic, then it will be later used to make a headline on a news paper connected to a political party related to the ones who financed them. That’s how politics works on Brussels recently and how some ideas are pushed to the mass, and to be honest some people is just too tired of such constant manipulation, independently of the contents or it’s accuracy which is a topic I don’t want to discuss much (in spite of our initial encounter).

I hope I made my point clear.

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