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It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

user-the-name wrote: post #19
nudpiedo wrote: post #12

"This document has been prepared for the European Commission however it reflects the views only of the authors, and the European Commission is not liable for any consequence stemming from the reuse of this publication" Then they shouldn't pretend to represent the European Comission or any of its logos. It's not fun anymore how the far left lobbies pretends to manipulate the public calling names everyone who happens t…

Nothing in here is "far left". That is entirely your own prejudices that you brought to this discussion, and your own attempts to polarise a discussion that is about fairly objective facts.

that's just your opinion, check it and judge yourself.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by user-the-name »

nudpiedo wrote: post #21
user-the-name wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in here is "far left". That is entirely your own prejudices that you brought to this discussion, and your own attempts to polarise a discussion that is about fairly objective facts.

that's just your opinion, check it and judge yourself.

I did, and what I said stands. You are the one desperately trying to spin this.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by icare_1er »

tester34 wrote: post #15
nudpiedo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays

Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nudpiedo »

totetsu wrote: post #9

didn't the use of humour playbook have its roots in anti oppression movements in eastern Europe?

Totally, counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore and after oppress popular culture with its ideas (else you are cancelled) now they are making a major effort trying to cancell oppositors from the institutions.

Same as extreme conservatives did on the 60s.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by the-dude »

nudpiedo wrote: post #14
the-dude wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you pay a year?

The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

How much tax one pays is largely dependend on one's income.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by jeofken »

totetsu wrote: post #9

didn't the use of humour playbook have its roots in anti oppression movements in eastern Europe?

Yes it famously did. It would be naive to think the ruling elite of Europe today don’t fear the funny for the same reason

Edit after downvotes: would you downvoting not agree that the rulers of Europe today don’t fear such movements as the identitarians, white native ethno-nationalists, who are currently the counter culture among the young?

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by tester34 »

icare_1er wrote: post #23
tester34 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays

Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)

>They are pretty much using your own arguments:

So what? blame the implementation detail and people behind it then

It just shows that the argument stands, becaues it's an actual problem and I'd rather do not have to argue with my parents about Bill Gates creating covid to inject 5G chips

and no, it's no joke and it's sad.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by crispyambulance »

greatgib wrote: post #8

I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the next victim of the "cancel culture" and the current trend in "free speech censorship"...

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right.

  > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost traction throughout Europe. As farright extremists strategically merge with online cultures, their approach changes drastically. In fact, they have learned the lesson that if — in our digitalised societies — a movement wants to be successful, it needs to be entertaining and participatory. In fact, a shared sense of humour has become an effective tool in terms of immersing individuals into extremist ideologies and, as a consequence, contributed to some of the worst acts of violence in the 21st century.
Having people become aware of these emerging memes BEFORE a flash mob of pepe-basement-dwellers shows up in their city is a good idea.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by icare_1er »

tester34 wrote: post #13
greatgib wrote: post #8

I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the next victim of the "cancel culture" and the current trend in "free speech censorship"...

how's that bullshit? memes have strong power, especially if you can vote them to the front page there has been shitton of them before 2016 election and during Pandemic they were used for both - good and bad. From looking cost efficency perspective memes are insanely good. edit Trump -> 2016

Basic history classes should have made it clear that trying to censor sarcasm not only doesn't work, but is counter-productive. All regimes have tried various things to prevent them, but they just gave their opponents even more topics to make fun of. That dates back to drawings mocking the king being circulated in underground newspapers, to using "Non-Playable-Characters" online on Twitter.
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