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The diet that really works

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Re: The diet that really works

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Post by scott_s »

gaius wrote: post #66
scott_s wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I read t-nation, I'm struck by how self-conscious some of them are about being big. I see little regard for the fact that some sports don't require athletes to have enormous amounts of muscle mass.

It's the same on any site tho'. If you read crossfit.com you'd be struck by how smug they are about being smarter than everyone else about training.

And, say, at technology sites about their methods. (Irony intended.)

I have seen the elitism at Crossfit, but I read the t-nation forums for a few months. They were much more negative than, say, Crossfit.

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by DougBTX »

ars wrote: post #50
gojomo wrote: post #36

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Except why do I care that the reporter was early to the interview? Why would anyone care? It's personalizing color, and it also lets the author explain how he's seen DeVany "half-naked". You must really hate novels. Not everything is written for an audience with ADD, nor should it be.

I love novels - except I wasn't reading a novel. At least I thought I wasn't - this was billed as "The diet that really works". And that's what I was here to read, and then I didn't. You want to write "personal insights about the man who made the diet that really works" no problem. I might even like to read it - but that's not what I was expecting. You say you are writing about a diet, then do so, or change the title…

As eugenejen mentions below, this is an article from the Sunday Times in the Life & Style, Women's section. Perhaps instead of saying "this isn't what I expected, it is crap," you could be a little more aware of the context of the article.

It was a fine piece of writing, I enjoyed the short read.

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by DougBTX »

JoelSutherland wrote: post #69
kul wrote: post #42

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It's in the Sunday Times, so it's meant to be a leisurely read (and most likely in the magazine section). The purpose isn't to convey as much info in as few words as possible.

So why does a leisurely read about a fad diet belong on Hacker News?

That's a much better question.

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by vaksel »

swombat wrote: post #60
vaksel wrote: post #35

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As long as your calories out => calories in, it shouldn't matter. Should it?

I don't think it's quite fair that you're being modded down. Actually, yes, that's the main thing. However, as you age, your calorie expense goes down dramatically at one point... for some it's around 25. Others it's around 35. Others, it never happens! But most people find that at some point they have to seriously decrease their intake of food (without changing their lifestyle otherwise) or else they get a spare tir…

Well actually I did have a slow down at around 23, but when I noticed it, I just increased my work out regiment w/o changing my diet.

To me, I'd rather enjoy my food and then just spend an extra 15 minutes at the gym to balance it out instead of sustaining myself with horrible tasting lumpy green goo

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by tobyo »

unexpected wrote: post #67
gaius wrote: post #34

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Heh, you see plenty of fat people at marathons, if you've ever run one, and plenty of 'em finish too.

I've read every article on t-nation, I work out >20 hours a week, and I train for triathlons and marathons. That being said, your statement is unfounded. If you're LIFTING, and lifting HEAVY, then yes, it doesn't make sense to go for more than 45 minutes, for exactly the reasons you stated. However, cardio? People will see huge cardio benefits if they run for a long time. There's no "negative fitness effect." Yes, yo…

Great post.

Most people that go to the gym are mainly trying to look better so those people should be doing heavy lifting. Even most training calls for time with heavy weights. Thus, the 45 minute or so rule. You point out a major caveat: Most people are not going anywhere near their limits. Around 45 minutes of high weight/volume training, one should naturally notice a loss of power not quit prematurely due to a stopwatch.

A (fat) person once told me she heard some advice that one should do cardio at a pace in which one will not experience heavy breathing and still be able to hold a conversation with the person next to them. What's next? Laying in bed as cardio?

Beginner advice: It's better to go out and just do something rather than overthinking it. Look at the people who are skinny, ripped, massive, fast, or whatever your goal is and do what they do. Many people apply premature optimization to working out. Diet matters but guys in prison become huge on three square meals a day. Sets and reps matter but Arnold wrote something to the effect of, "I don't know why beginners worry so much about details. If you are bad at pull ups, do as many pull ups as you can, rest, repeat." The key is to push yourself and measure your progress to make sure you are actually improving.

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by [deleted] »

unexpected wrote: post #67
gaius wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, you see plenty of fat people at marathons, if you've ever run one, and plenty of 'em finish too.

I've read every article on t-nation, I work out >20 hours a week, and I train for triathlons and marathons. That being said, your statement is unfounded. If you're LIFTING, and lifting HEAVY, then yes, it doesn't make sense to go for more than 45 minutes, for exactly the reasons you stated. However, cardio? People will see huge cardio benefits if they run for a long time. There's no "negative fitness effect." Yes, yo…

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Re: The diet that really works

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Post by orib »

swombat wrote: post #26
caglouq wrote: post #11

Here is the ultimate diet "Slow down on the food you like the most" ... you may add to this diet the (always right) corollary "never stop your diet"

Hardly. "Slow down on the unhealthiest foods," perhaps. I love fruit. Should I slow down on fruit?

Don't gobble it down. Savor every bite. You'll enjoy it more, and you'll feel fuller on less food. So yes, slow down while eating it.

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by fgimenez »

Goronmon wrote: post #61
ars wrote: post #7

Blah blah blah blah blah. The entire article is just blah blah blah. The guy needs an editor to cut it to 10% of it's size. Is he paid by the word or something? He sure knows the art of saying nothing using many words. Heck I can summarize it in 2 words: Modified atkins.

Why did you need to waste all that time writing out that reply? Couldn't you have just said "Article sucks."?

This isn't digg?

:)

Re: The diet that really works

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Post by henryw »

ars wrote: post #7

Blah blah blah blah blah. The entire article is just blah blah blah. The guy needs an editor to cut it to 10% of it's size. Is he paid by the word or something? He sure knows the art of saying nothing using many words. Heck I can summarize it in 2 words: Modified atkins.

a highlight of what the diet is about:

Carbs, not fats, are modernity’s most deadly assassins. And, even if they don’t kill you, they make you feel worse. I sleep better without them and I seem to have become a nicer person; what with that and the weight loss, my friends – or were they enemies? – barely recognise me.

The good, the bad and the tasty

The fundamentals of Arthur De Vany’s diet: bin the carbs and packaged food, and delight in lean meat and at least two veg meals

- Cook by colour and texture so that meals look beautiful. If busy, skip meals with little worry. You don’t have to have three square meals a day. Snack on nuts or celery. Drink plenty of water. I also drink tea, coffee and a little wine.

Carbs Avoid bread, muffins, bagels, pasta, rice, potatoes, cereals, vegetable oils, beans or anything in a package — empty, high-calorie foods with a high carbohydrate content.

Flavour Spice up your food with fresh ingredients such as basil, garlic, parsley, rosemary, spring onions, avocados and nuts, and use various oils, such as olive oil, for flavour.

Celery adds texture (and is good for testosterone too).

Fruits Fresh fruits of all sorts are good; I focus on melon and red grapes. Fruit juice is out. I have one or two fruits with most breakfasts; now and then a piece with other meals.

Vegetables Eat lots of fresh raw, steamed, sauteed or grilled vegetables. I never use frozen, canned or packaged vegetables.

Protein Eat plenty of meat, such as ribs, steak, bacon, pork loin, turkey and chicken, but trim fat from the edges. Fish, seafood and eggs are also good choices.

Breakfast I tend to eat last night’s leftovers: turkey with jarlsberg cheese and fruit, bacon with red grapes, omelettes with rosemary, olives and spring onions.

Lunches Usually salads, with red cabbage, romaine lettuce, spring onions, garlic, kale, broccoli or cauliflower, with salmon, tuna, turkey, chicken, pork or steak.

Dinners I sometimes eat a whole rack of ribs with salad and vegetables. Or a large steak, trimmed of fat. Almost always there is a beautiful salad and vegetables.

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