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It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by Arnt »

nudpiedo wrote: post #14
the-dude wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you pay a year?

The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere.

Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't become proverbs by lacking truth.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by mmarq »

nudpiedo wrote: post #24
totetsu wrote: post #9

didn't the use of humour playbook have its roots in anti oppression movements in eastern Europe?

Totally, counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore and after oppress popular culture with its ideas (else you are cancelled) now they are making a major effort trying to cancell oppositors from the institutions. Same as extreme conservatives did on the 60s.

Given that the president of the EU commission and the largest coalition in the EU parliament are conservatives and that the EU is evidently not an extreme left institution, I don’t understand why they should care about the extreme left having lost whatever you think they lost.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by heckerhut »

greatgib wrote: post #8

I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the next victim of the "cancel culture" and the current trend in "free speech censorship"...

This is super valuable for the audience it addresses. It’s well researched and easily understandable. This is money well spent. I wished everything that comes out of Europe would be so current.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

the-dude wrote: post #10
greatgib wrote: post #8

I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the next victim of the "cancel culture" and the current trend in "free speech censorship"...

How much do you pay a year?

Easy, France for example contribute around 26 BILLIONS euros to European institutions.

It is a shitload of money in my opinion.

There are around 70 millions inhabitants in France, only around 18% of households pay income tax. But, in fact, only 10% of the households are contributing for around 70% of the income tax.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

Arnt wrote: post #41
nudpiedo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't b…

Think deeper...

If there was less tax and people would have more money to spend, the "far rights" extremists would have less supporters and followers.

If the European institutions and national government would give a better use to the money, like improving citizen everyday life and issues or education, there would also be less "far rights" extremists.

And the funniest and worse point, is that a common complaint of some "far right" extremists is especially that European and international institutions are a waste of their money, and providing in exchange just limitations to what national governments can do. So, on that count also, better spending of our tax money would improve the situation more than this bullshit report.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

user-the-name wrote: post #33
icare_1er wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basic history classes should have made it clear that trying to censor sarcasm not only doesn't work, but is counter-productive. All regimes have tried various things to prevent them, but they just gave their opponents even more topics to make fun of. That dates back to drawings mocking the king being circulated in underground newspapers, to using "Non-Playable-Characters" online on Twitter.

Literally nobody is trying to, or has in any way suggested, "censoring sarcasm". This is a document that describes, accurately, how the far right uses humour. That is a useful thing to document and be aware of when trying to combat radicalisation.

This is the first step: first you put in every policy maker head the idea that there is a problem and that they need to do something about it, then they find "solutions"...

Think about how "internet" and "social networks" become "evil" in policy maker heads.

Now, everything that is happening is the fault of internet. So, internet has to be censored.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by the-dude »

greatgib wrote: post #45
the-dude wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you pay a year?

Easy, France for example contribute around 26 BILLIONS euros to European institutions. It is a shitload of money in my opinion. There are around 70 millions inhabitants in France, only around 18% of households pay income tax. But, in fact, only 10% of the households are contributing for around 70% of the income tax.

Great way to avoid answering the question ( the money which France contributes still is not your money ).

And this 26 Billion, is this 'netto' or 'bruto' ?

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

tester34 wrote: post #13
greatgib wrote: post #8

I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the next victim of the "cancel culture" and the current trend in "free speech censorship"...

how's that bullshit? memes have strong power, especially if you can vote them to the front page there has been shitton of them before 2016 election and during Pandemic they were used for both - good and bad. From looking cost efficency perspective memes are insanely good. edit Trump -> 2016

It is bullshit, because it is ghost chasing and witch hunting.

As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling.

We have seen that a lot before:

- Persons become violent because they played violent video games in their childhood: The proof? Some mass murders played video games.

- Messengers/chat are the root cause of terrorism: the proof? Some terrorists used SMS and email to discuss.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by Hitton »

capableweb wrote: post #39
cauliflower99 wrote: post #29

Ctrl + f microaggressions. So...it's that kind of paper.

Yes, there is one mention of microaggressions in the paper > Not only repeated exposure but also a lack of resistance within the chan communities reinforces such microaggressions. What is your comment supposed to mean? Is it mentioned too often/too little so the rest of the paper to loose legitimacy, or what is your point? Since I've never heard the term before, I looked it up > Microaggression is a term used for com…

It's bullshit concept used as weapon by proponents of victimhood culture to bash anyone they deem "privileged". Don't you find peculiar that this "little aggression" can be unintentional? And of course deciding what are "hostile, derogatory, or negative attitudes" depends solely on "offended" party.

Some examples of "microagressions": avoiding eye contact when speaking to someone, telling someone they are articulate, denying that you are racist, color (race) blindness, assuming someone's gender, asking a girl whether she has a boyfriend (she might be lesbian, you bigot), calling undocumented migrants illegals, saying that someone's name is difficult to pronounce, calling your boss crazy...

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