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For me (as someone formally diagnosed with schizophrenia): as a child I had a lot of flickering lights/shadows and brief whispers/noises, horrible depth perception, frequent dizziness, and bad temperature coordination (sweating or shivering way too much in response to weather). One particular indication which I thought was universal but is apparently somewhat uncommon: visual “snow” in low light conditions, meaning t…
When I close my eyes I see "snow", and yes the same thing with my eyes opened in the dark. But this is normal, no? It seems like seeing pure black is abnormal. There will be some kind of noise on the optic nerve, it's hard to imagine it being hard "off".
Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
#112Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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Just because there's a correlation doesn't mean distortions inherently imply psychosis. It's difficult to know your experience just from your brief comment, but it's possible that you may have something like depersonalization-derealization disorder, without any psychosis. Psychosis generally involves delusions and hallucinations. For example: hearing things that aren't real, believing governments or other powerful en…
One of these things is not like the other... > believing governments or other powerful entities are specifically targeting and watching you Because that never happens? > frequently thinking people you see IRL are stalking and following you Because that never happens? > hearing things that aren't real Who decides what's real? Is it not real unless you've got audio? > thinking you're a divine being or on a divinely-man…
That's why I listed a myriad of symptoms. If someone solely believes that, say, some people are following them, that's one thing. But if someone thinks people are following them and that some entity is implanting thoughts into their head via futuristic technology, then they're very likely in a state of psychosis.
If you haven't committed any crimes or done anything noteworthy, it's especially unlikely any government is going to devote resources to following you. If you know you've committed some serious crimes, then it's certainly a much more rational fear and could be real.
Also, if you're really being followed by a government IRL, odds are you're not going to notice it unless they want you to notice it, and that pretty much doesn't happen unless you're an important figure traveling to a foreign country and they want to intimidate you. It's not impossible that you could notice it, but when multiplied by all of the other probabilities, it's very unlikely. Especially if you hold other paranoid beliefs.
>Who decides what's real? Is it not real unless you've got audio?
If you hear someone talking to you but you don't see anyone nearby, or if you hear something/someone while no one else near you hears anything. But, yes, if you try to record it and don't hear anything on the recording, then that would also be an indication.
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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One of these things is not like the other... > believing governments or other powerful entities are specifically targeting and watching you Because that never happens? > frequently thinking people you see IRL are stalking and following you Because that never happens? > hearing things that aren't real Who decides what's real? Is it not real unless you've got audio? > thinking you're a divine being or on a divinely-man…
Of course the first two things do sometimes happen to people. But people in a psychotic state very frequently think they're happening when they actually aren't happening. A high percentage of them believe it, but out of that sample, the belief is almost never actually based in reality. That's why I listed a myriad of symptoms. If someone solely believes that, say, some people are following them, that's one thing. But…
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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Lack of insight to varying degrees is a well-known feature, but not always the case. Having insight doesn't imply at all a lack of symptoms. It's possible to be aware, but not be able to correct errors in real time. Someone with paranoia is highly sensitive to coincidences, and may have great difficulty blocking out elaborate theories regarding them which seem to spontaneously arise, as well as an intense fear reacti…
I have always wondered why if someone with good logical reasoning skills got schizophrenia they clould not reason their way to seeing their delusions for what they are. For example (real example I heard) if I think everyone who looks at my eyes is from the government and tracking me on my walk to the park- there simply is no agency that could field and coordinate that many undercover agents nor surreptitiously replac…
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because there's a correlation doesn't mean distortions inherently imply psychosis. It's difficult to know your experience just from your brief comment, but it's possible that you may have something like depersonalization-derealization disorder, without any psychosis. Psychosis generally involves delusions and hallucinations. For example: hearing things that aren't real, believing governments or other powerful en…
One of these things is not like the other... > believing governments or other powerful entities are specifically targeting and watching you Because that never happens? > frequently thinking people you see IRL are stalking and following you Because that never happens? > hearing things that aren't real Who decides what's real? Is it not real unless you've got audio? > thinking you're a divine being or on a divinely-man…
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Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
#117For the most part I haven't had many psychotic symptoms aside from during lockdowns when I've had constant, obsessive thoughts about suffering. Sometimes I'll lay awake unable to fall asleep thinking about people forced into slavery, human trafficking, torture, my own future death etc.
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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I have always wondered why if someone with good logical reasoning skills got schizophrenia they clould not reason their way to seeing their delusions for what they are. For example (real example I heard) if I think everyone who looks at my eyes is from the government and tracking me on my walk to the park- there simply is no agency that could field and coordinate that many undercover agents nor surreptitiously replac…
That's me. I had all the paranoid delusions mentioned in this thread and logically walked myself out of them. I sometimes have snaps where I let my guard down and get paranoid again but they have been easier and easier to avoid with age and responsibility.
If I'm quite upbeat and have good happy mood (not so common) then symptoms are much less likely to occur, so it could also be a depressive state of sorts.
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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Glad to hear your anecdotes and the success story, sounds like hell. I've found the work of Carl C Pfeiffer interesting, seems to apply to me, histedelia, although pun intended I do take it with a healthy dose of salt. I've seen a lot of professional dismissiveness towards the idea. More recent blog reading material seems to term it as a 'methylation' issue. What I found most 'appealing' about the theory was that he…
Thanks for your comment. I don't have a success story yet, but I'm optimistic. I've learned a lot, and hope to leverage my 'trial by fire' to help others. > Carl C Pfeiffer Pfeiffer "considered himself a founder of what [Linus Pauling] named orthomolecular psychiatry" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Pfeiffer_(pharmacologist) > he blames the substance abuse on the histadelics hmm? Searching for histadelics: "If y…
There are lots of different anti-histamines with different effects and side effects. Salt and adrenalin are apparently 'natural' anti-histamines, I would go with them over medication, though sometimes I need anti-histamines for allergies. That cyproheptadine seems to be contra the general trend of anti-histamine -> pro-serotonin (I think the mechanism here is that once the histamine is gone, more serotonin can be made, this takes a long time, days not hours or minutes).
If you are into Meyers-Briggs or Astrology type categorization: https://www.diagnose-me.com/symptoms-of/histadelia-histamine...
a quote from the above link: "Nutritional treatment for drug and alcohol users will depend on the results of a test for blood histamine levels. In one series of such analysis, all users proved to have high histamine levels, leading the scientist to conclude that this abnormality – with its impact on brain function – is a major force in creating addiction. [Nutrition Guide for the Prevention and Cure of Common Ailments and Diseases, Carlton Fredericks, PhD. p.58]"
I'd swear I've seen Carl C Pfeiffer quotes saying similar things but haven't turned them up after a cursory google. I should mention I know during opiate withdrawal many addicts take antihistamine to counter the itching from the histamine released by the opiates, which might confound attempts to establish a link to addiction.
I have particular problems with allergies during the summer months, so it's not just eating too much salad - "salad bowl depression", ha - but a combination of both tree and grass pollen. Another thing I found interesting is that there are foods that are low in histamine but high in histidine, which gets turned into histamine in the gut.
Optimism, a healthy dose of skepticism and diary for food and activities seems to be a good way to check things out personally, although not exactly scientific. One thing I found interesting was the claim that too much histamine in the stomach prevents vitamin-c from being turned into gut serotonin. So oranges are high in vitamin-c but also high in histamine, so the 'material' recommends ascorbic acid instead. Personally I enjoy oranges more than any other fruit so I go ahead, I don't think I have the worst symptoms anyway.
One final edit, a lot of vitamin and multivitamin tablets quietly include 'folic acid' so watch out for that avoid them and buy tablets that do not have it, if you are convinced of an issue here (this is also in a lot of food as fortification as you already know).
Re: Perceptual distortions in late-teens predict psychotic symptoms in mid-life
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My GF is diagnosed bipolar, and had a breakdown before Christmas and got sectioned. I didn't see her at that time, but the behaviour that she describes sounds mildly psychotic. She was home by the end of February, on a mood-stabiliser, an anti-psychotic, and a minor tranq. She's off the minor tranq now; she'll be taking the mood-stabiliser until she dies, and it's not much of a problem. But the anti-psychotic is trou…
Thanks for your response. Sorry to hear about your GF's experience. "Sectioned"... .. . Mental Health Act -> you're in the U.K.? > she'll be taking the mood-stabiliser until she dies "Mood stabiliser" is a marketing term. My friend was on a "mood stabiliser" until the 2nd to last time she escaped. She didn't have those pills with her when she hopped the fence, so she couldn't take them when she was in hiding at my pl…
> I refer to anti-psychotics as tranquilizers
If I've got you right, that's what I call "major tranquilizers", e.g. haloperidol and chlorpromazine. I think they:
- Make you fat
- Cause you to start rocking
- Take away all the interest from life
"Mood stabiliser" is actually a new term for me; it used to mean simply "Lithium", in my book. Lithium also makes you rock, if you take it long-term. It does seem to work, in the sense of preventing episodes. The GF is on a mood stabiliser called Depakote.
> Random link to Whitaker's organization
OK, so they're ranting specifically about US prescribing practices, the DSM, and the US drug industry. They're focused on anti-psychotics. I think the system here is less crazy than in the US; although they're severely understaffed and under-funded, UK mental health services aren't in the pocket of Big Pharma.
I'm also concerned about anti-psychotics - especially long-term. My assumption is that they gave her an anti-psychotic because her behaviour at the time she was admitted was chaotic, she posed a risk to herself, and they wanted to prevent a relapse when she was returned to her own home. I've never known her to manifest delusions or hallucinations, which as far as I'm aware are required indicators for a diagnosis of psychosis.
I'm a bit suspicious of the bi-polar diagnosis; she doesn't suffer from wild mood swings or extended periods of depression; she just gets agitated, and jabbers. She says she hasn't had a depressive episode for 20 years. She's as honest as the day is long, and although she's told me some far-out things, they all turned out to be true when I checked; so I believe her. I can't find a medical description of bi-polar that matches the behaviour I observe. And it's not clear to me that the different kinds of "bi-polar" are really different kinds of one thing.
My own ad-hoc definition of bi-polar is "psychological condition that responds to Lithium".
> Let the guy know that you're advocating for your GF, and are prepared to complain to licensing boards/etc...
I've met her shrink, and members of her care team. It would be premature to say "I'm advocating..." - I'm keeping an eye on her treatment. I believe they mean to get her off the anti-psychotic, but not the mood-stabiliser.
I'm her BF, not her carer. I don't police her taking her pills. If she starts going off the rails, I'll give them a heads-up; I imagine I'll be the first to notice. If I eventually have to stick my oar in over her prescriptions, then I will; but for now, I trust her care team (and so does she).
So I see my role as basically "support".
> You may also find my comment history useful.
Thanks, I'll take a look.