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One angle that isn't being discussed – having vaccinated employees greatly reduces healthcare costs for the company and its insurance provider. I'm sure they would love to enforce vaccinations, annual checkups, healthy diet, exercise, no smoking etc. among employees as a condition for providing insurance or employment if there wasn't a social pushback for doing so.
I’ve typed out 3 comments to 3 separate people before deleting them. I didn’t see the point. Folks, it’s a good idea to heed dang’s warning at the top of the thread. I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here. Just people absolutely convinced of their ideas and principles, shouting past each other. Nothing we haven’t seen on this topic 50 times before. You’re better off goin…
It's a war that has to be fought. It's like...hmm, it's like "racism is great" vs "racism is awful". These two opinions can't really exist in society in large numbers simultaneously without explosive results. Eventually, one side has to win. That's the only way you get peace. That's the way I see it, anyway. edit: an example, and a counter-example. Gay marriage is the example: there was never going to be a steady equ…
Or like "racism is great" vs "racism is awful" vs "this isn't racism".
I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…
Given dang's comment on guideline, I really don't want to comment back . However, I am just feeling so angry. So many people have unnecessarily died because someone has the wrong idea of risk calculation or political bias in disguise despite all the scientific data. I am sorry. You have a right to not be vaccinated. You have a right to whine about it. But government and organizations also have the right from preventi…
I was one of those people this time last year. No one was feeling sorry then either.
Don't worry I'll get a booster shot when it is due, but I've done my part. Please don't lump me in with the unvaxxed.
EDIT: to be clear, i was just an innocent bystander who caught covid-19 early on while no one could possibly believe i was having the symptoms that we are all so deathly afraid of now. i survived, i have this persistent feeling of weirdness and random twinges of pains, but i survived it without a vaccine. i don't know what a vaccine is going to do for me (at this junction in time, maybe T+12 months will be different lets see what the science says)
Incidentally I was working on some US immigration paperwork this morning, which requires documenting that you got some vaccines before they will give you a green card. COVID is not among them yet. The required vaccines overlap with ones required to go to school in the US. So between school vaccines and immigration vaccines, perhaps this is why companies have not had to require any vaccines before now?
Though I understand that healthcare workers were commonly required to get the flu vaccine every year.
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Then how are multiple infections possible? I know several people who have been sick with COVID 2 times already.
This is anecdotal. There are people getting infected (and even sick) whilst being vaccinated as well. The vast majority of people however, are not.
The simple reason being that the vaccines have the spike protein as a marker - the part of the virus that we expect is least likely to change significantly.
What we do know is that the current Delta variant, which is a fitness escape but also partly an immune escape, has infected a number of people that had the vanilla variant.
[1] https://twitter.com/ENirenberg/status/1412865782862725125
Can someone explain the “I won’t get it until it’s fully approved by the FDA” logic to me? Unlike usual vaccine trials, these vaccines have been deployed worldwide with hundreds of millions of people across many different conditions. Europe stopped using some due to an extremely rare blood clotting episode that was tens of people out millions. That suggests that rare, acute side effects have been (mostly?) discovered…
I'm not sure I can explain anything related to the FDA (I'm European) but maybe I can shed some light on the insight what people are worried about. These vaccines have been applied hundreds of million times in the past year, true. Therefore, we have a very good understanding of their adverse effects in the first 6-12 months. What we cannot know, however, are possible adverse effects that are longer term. Susceptibili…
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Yes, of course I think about others. I would never go in with symptoms of any infectious disease. Were I asked to work in a building away from people that are high-risk or are regularly in contact with high-risk people I would easily oblige. There are multiple possible solutions that do not violate my bodily autonomy. I agree with your assessment that major adverse effects are unlikely, but ultimately unknowns are im…
How are you so sure you know the risk of Covid, that has both an immediate and longitudinal risk, that will likely increase due to fitness escapes? Let's not forget there are still unknown unknowns regarding the longitudinal risk of Covid.
I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…
We've had mandatory vaccinations for public schools for decades, and it's largely a settled issue. This is no different. If people want to put others at risk of harm, employers are under no obligation to indulge them.
Google and Facebook are the most important companies for controlling information flow in the modern world. As a side effect this rule will increase conformity in their ranks, with predictable consequences.
I predict that the consequences will be less COVID transmission among their employees. Shudder.