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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:01 AM UTC

ngc248 wrote: post #213

colechristensen wrote: post #169

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One has to believe at some point that liberty is worth a certain amount of risk. >Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence over my and my family and loved one's desire to not die of a preventable disease? Did you and your family get vaccinated? What unvaccinated people do does not affect your risk profile in any meaningful way. Are your kids too young to g…

>>> One has to believe at some point that liberty is worth a certain amount of risk. Others will be taking a risk for your liberty, that is where it becomes unacceptable. We live in a society and individual freedoms must be balanced by the responsibilities towards your fellow man.

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:02 AM UTC

__m wrote: post #194

kderbyma wrote: post #187

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I set myself a smart goal. 2024. clinical trials for all will be finished by the end of 2023 at the latest and then, give it a couple months to wrap up and draft or bury and reports. that is my basis. it's Smart.

Unless you get infected

I upvoted both you and the parent, as both positions are valid. The difficulty of the issue is that a personal decision to vaccinate or not influences also the health of other people. This result could be weaker if Google didn't insist on forcing people back to the office - but they already made the decision so you either comply or lose your job, there is not much to discuss.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ddvvff » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:03 AM UTC

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

I hope you're also pro-abortion, but somehow I doubt it

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by donkarma » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:03 AM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #144

bluedevil2k wrote: post #14

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Unfortunately, this loophole will negate the entire mandate.

No it won't. My employer mandated vaccines. Exceptions for sincere religious belief or documented medical reasons. I didn't want the vaccine but I wasn't going to lie about having a legitimate religious reason for it. Some people will, but most people wont. So I got the shot, but if I have any serious side effects I will certainly be contacting a personal injury attorney.

Who do you plan on suing?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ReadEvalPost » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:05 AM UTC

exo-pla-net wrote: post #229

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Do you consider passing your diseases on to others to be among your various prerogatives?

Of course not. If I am sick I self-isolate.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by makomk » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:06 AM UTC

deanc wrote: post #179

oldcigarette wrote: post #90

I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…

There is a counter point to yours, just as valid, where folks don’t want to be around unvaccinated folks. Maybe they have an immunocompromised relative or child at home. Maybe they don’t feel safe with unvaccinated folks around. This is a game of odds. People keep acting like this is binary. You’re statistically more likely to have and spread covid without the vaccine. I would be delighted if my employer enforced thi…

Honestly, anyone who's genuinely at risk enough that they can't risk being exposed despite being vaccinated - as opposed to the people who were convinced they are because of stupid media culture war bullshit - probably shouldn't be working in an office, because at that point they're going to be at reasonably comparable risk from the common cold. Seriously. The other four endemic human coronaviruses, for example, are very far from a walk in the park for at-risk people that manage to catch them; it's just that most people with working immune systems have some level of immunity that protects them from the worst effects.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ano88888 » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:07 AM UTC

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Given dang's comment on guideline, I really don't want to comment back . However, I am just feeling so angry. So many people have unnecessarily died because someone has the wrong idea of risk calculation or political bias in disguise despite all the scientific data. I am sorry. You have a right to not be vaccinated. You have a right to whine about it. But government and organizations also have the right from preventing you to harm others. Still find it difficult to understand why are there so many selfish people in the world. I know it is wrong, but secretly I am not sorry about people like you getting infected or hospitalized. The world might be a better place. Sorry Dang, I deserve the downvotes for not following the guideline as this is an emotional response.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by exo-pla-net » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:09 AM UTC

ddvvff wrote: post #233

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

I hope you're also pro-abortion, but somehow I doubt it

Careful to not cause him too much cognitive dissonance. His brain might explode, splashing his proudly unvaccinated SARS-CoV-2 on everyone.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by tmule » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:10 AM UTC

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

In the healthcare field, getting an annual flu shot is typically mandated as a condition for employment. The principle is the same - risk to others is deemed too high. I bet you’d not enjoy being a patient at a hospital where a bunch of staff are carrying diseases while you’re vulnerable … because, let’s face it, it’s bad for patients and therefore bad for business. The same principle is now being extended to other companies and sectors now. I personally wouldn’t want to return to office if colleagues were unvaccinated (I also have a newborn at home). Many of my colleagues wouldn’t either. That would be bad for individuals and therefore bad for business.

At least FB and Google have remote employment for the anti-vax crowd.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by exo-pla-net » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:10 AM UTC

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #235

exo-pla-net wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you consider passing your diseases on to others to be among your various prerogatives?

Of course not. If I am sick I self-isolate.

And if you're asymptomatic, whoops?