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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by throwaway210222 »

jkkorn wrote: post #139
throwaway210222 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building Ah, so its OK to drop bombs on the entire building then? So, by extrapolation, if there is a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse in a school or hospital, then the IDF can wipe those out too? Nice.

wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead t…

> What's the alternative?

A single multicultural country, with equal (ie. indistinguishable) rights and obligations (including Aliyah) to every 'type' of citizen.

Rather than just a first world playground for one faction.

You did ask.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

DSingularity wrote: post #148
skinkestek wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults. What you say is of course to some degree right. But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway…

Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.

Best example here is the grand mufti of jerusalem. https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #151
jkkorn wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead t…

> What's the alternative? A single multicultural country, with equal (ie. indistinguishable) rights and obligations (including Aliyah) to every 'type' of citizen. Rather than just a first world playground for one faction. You did ask.

I did! Although it was pertaining to "relatiation" i'm happy to offer my two cents on this as well.

Almost that entire sentence exists today in israel. Rights are the same for all israeli citizens. Israeli muslims and israeli jews have the same rights inside the state of israel. Muslims are the third largest political party (and are part of the current coalition), they are supreme court judges (heck, a muslim judge sentenced the jewish president to prison).

On Aliyah: Im not too familiar with how different it is to Aliyah as a jew then as a muslim, but it's more likely to be easier as jew. The general idea is that it's a jewish state. Most people here will be opposed to a jewish state, that's fine. Humanity has an awful track record with the jews, might be best to finally let them be autonomous.

"Rather than just a first world playground for one faction." Not entirely sure what this means.

> You did ask.

Yep :) and glad you did. Personally I think a two state solution is more viable. What I don't think is constructive is assuming that the entire onus is on one side. Takes two to tango, right? WestBank palestinians have had two leaders. Ever. Arafat was adamant about establishing power, while Abbas is eager to keep it. That's why he's completing his 14th year in his 4 year mandate. He keeps cancelling elections because if Hamas wins (like they did in Gaza) he will at best be exiled. Just recently he had an opposition leader assassinated.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/palestinian...

Fatah is hell bent in keeping the status quo.

Hamas is hell bent in destroying Israel. It's in their charter. They're way more extreme than Fatah.

Plenty of mosques in Israel, 2 million muslims there living peacefully. Can't say the same about palestinian territories where jews and synagogues are not allowedd.

It seems you'd just like Israel to take all the responsibility for the conflict, cease to exist and roll over. Hopefully I'm wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realignment_plan

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by skinkestek »

DSingularity wrote: post #148
skinkestek wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults. What you say is of course to some degree right. But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway…

Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.

See the other answer here, then stop to reconsider on how many other accounts you are simultaneously mistaken && accusing others at the same time.

Then we can soon start discussing the real problems.

But I am fully aware that Israel has some serious problems so this always starts with me and others shattering the illusion that media and others have created over the last 40 years that this is one sided and that a simple good solution exists.

I wish Arabs living in Palestine and everywhere else all well and I can even kind of understand them.

My biggest problem is well meaning but uninformed journalists and forum participants who keep fueling this from the sidelines - and I wish you well as well.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by skinkestek »

redis_mlc wrote: post #147
skinkestek wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who'd like to tell me what I got wrong?

1) IDF "kneecaps" reporters (shoots them in the knees) to get them out of their way. This has been reported for decades. 2) The SJWs, regardless of side, refuse to recognize there is a war. Protesting isn't going to solve anything since neither side has anywhere to go. 3) There was plenty of media coverage of Iran involvement recently. Again, if you're a SJW and don't know that, you're misguided. https://www.aspistra…

I'm a lot of things but definitely not a "SJW".

I do however sometimes help foreigners, girls etc but I don't brag about it under my real name nor do I start crusades against anyone just because they are white or male or straight or anything so no, definitely not SJW.

My only question was because of you claim that IDF shoots reporters in the knees like it is a well known fact and I haven't heard that before.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

jkkorn wrote: post #152
DSingularity wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.

Best example here is the grand mufti of jerusalem. https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

Like I said, it’s really quite a stretch to conclude that “Arabs sided with the Nazis” because of the arguably inconsequential positions of one individual — from the small Palestinian subset of the middle-eastern Arab population. Mind you these meetings occurred at the tail end of the war to discuss the forced migration of European Jews to Palestine.

Anyhow, what makes this feel like such a low misrepresentation are the historical facts that Arabs were taking in the Jewish victims and refugees that the Nazis were forcing out of Germany while the Europeans and Americans were refusing them.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

skinkestek wrote: post #154
DSingularity wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.

See the other answer here, then stop to reconsider on how many other accounts you are simultaneously mistaken && accusing others at the same time. Then we can soon start discussing the real problems. But I am fully aware that Israel has some serious problems so this always starts with me and others shattering the illusion that media and others have created over the last 40 years that this is one sided and that a simp…

I am sorry but you are really quite off. Answer me this, how you would feel if you were an Arab living in Palestine? How would you feel if you had to live in an apartheid system where another person can kill your family or steal your property with more-or-less impunity just because you are an Arab? Now tell me how would you react when you read that Israel precision-bombed an entire family [1] in response to “Hamas rockets from nearby”. Stop dancing around the real problems. Widespread racism. Apartheid policies. Settler colonialism. Systemic injustice. Disproportionate responses. Tell me your solutions to these problems.

I think you assume a lot when you say that people post “from the sidelines”. I would say that given the huge number of Palestinian victims some the people who post on the forums have probably suffered a loss of family/property/livelihood because of the Israelis.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2021/05/23/999563043/gaza-residents-acce...

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by skinkestek »

DSingularity wrote: post #157
skinkestek wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the other answer here, then stop to reconsider on how many other accounts you are simultaneously mistaken && accusing others at the same time. Then we can soon start discussing the real problems. But I am fully aware that Israel has some serious problems so this always starts with me and others shattering the illusion that media and others have created over the last 40 years that this is one sided and that a simp…

I am sorry but you are really quite off. Answer me this, how you would feel if you were an Arab living in Palestine? How would you feel if you had to live in an apartheid system where another person can kill your family or steal your property with more-or-less impunity just because you are an Arab? Now tell me how would you react when you read that Israel precision-bombed an entire family [1] in response to “Hamas ro…

> how you would feel if you were an Arab living in Palestine?

Terrible. Either I'd feel terrible because I was oppressed by the Israelis or less likely I guess because I realized I was oppressed by Hamas and Iran.

Again: I see both sides. If everyone here where overwhelmingly denying Israel ever did anything wrong I could play another role.

That never happens though so I am relegated to always inform people about basic pro Israel facts.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

skinkestek wrote: post #158
DSingularity wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but you are really quite off. Answer me this, how you would feel if you were an Arab living in Palestine? How would you feel if you had to live in an apartheid system where another person can kill your family or steal your property with more-or-less impunity just because you are an Arab? Now tell me how would you react when you read that Israel precision-bombed an entire family [1] in response to “Hamas ro…

> how you would feel if you were an Arab living in Palestine? Terrible. Either I'd feel terrible because I was oppressed by the Israelis or less likely I guess because I realized I was oppressed by Hamas and Iran. Again: I see both sides. If everyone here where overwhelmingly denying Israel ever did anything wrong I could play another role. That never happens though so I am relegated to always inform people about bas…

I’m not sure I understand your “less likely” remark. Are you conceding that Israel is doing most of the oppressing of Palestinians? Or do you mean that you wouldn’t feel terrible about Israeli land-theft/killing/jailing/apartheid because of Iran and Hamas?

While we are on this topic: how is this a “both sides” issue? Let’s keep it simple and not try to compare Israel oppression of gazans to the Hamas/Iran oppression. Please explain to us how does Hamas and Iran oppress West Bank Palestinians?

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by redis_mlc »

skinkestek wrote: post #155
redis_mlc wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) IDF "kneecaps" reporters (shoots them in the knees) to get them out of their way. This has been reported for decades. 2) The SJWs, regardless of side, refuse to recognize there is a war. Protesting isn't going to solve anything since neither side has anywhere to go. 3) There was plenty of media coverage of Iran involvement recently. Again, if you're a SJW and don't know that, you're misguided. https://www.aspistra…

I'm a lot of things but definitely not a "SJW". I do however sometimes help foreigners, girls etc but I don't brag about it under my real name nor do I start crusades against anyone just because they are white or male or straight or anything so no, definitely not SJW. My only question was because of you claim that IDF shoots reporters in the knees like it is a well known fact and I haven't heard that before.

Just bing for "IDF shoots reporters."

That should keep you busy for a couple of days, since it's IDF policy.

They shoot foreign reporters in the legs/knees, but Arab reporters fatally. The targeted shooting proves it's deliberate, and the fact this has happened for decades that it's policy.

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