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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

skinkestek wrote: post #134
DSingularity wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. Israeli drones kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach. The Israeli army wants us to not believe our eyes when we see the destruction of civilian buildings [1]. They want us to pretend l…

> Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. > Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. This is another important discussion. However the recent east Jerusalem case has been about Jewish homes that was given to Arab families during the short Jordanian rule of the area, wasn't it? > Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. I…

Here is the video of the sniper shooting a clearly unarmed person while his comrades are cheering and raving about the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLzRv_kNXU

I wonder how many instances of this kind of targeting occur without a video recording being leaked to the public.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

skinkestek wrote: post #134
DSingularity wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. Israeli drones kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach. The Israeli army wants us to not believe our eyes when we see the destruction of civilian buildings [1]. They want us to pretend l…

> Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. > Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. This is another important discussion. However the recent east Jerusalem case has been about Jewish homes that was given to Arab families during the short Jordanian rule of the area, wasn't it? > Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. I…

You act like East Jerusalem is the only place where Israelis are colonizing Palestinian lands. It is common for the Israeli army to show up to some nice land, declare the land a military zone, proceed to kill and evict Palestinians, and then begin construction of a new settlement for new settlers.

But why are we surprised by this? This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. Of course this policy continues because the leaders of these groups later became prime ministers, presidents, and generals.

Israel is a presently criminal state (settler colonialism is a crime) with a criminal and bloody history. We aren’t ostracizing it — we are pointing out the facts and demanding justice.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by radycov »

jkkorn wrote: post #139
throwaway210222 wrote: post #126

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> but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building Ah, so its OK to drop bombs on the entire building then? So, by extrapolation, if there is a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse in a school or hospital, then the IDF can wipe those out too? Nice.

wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead t…

Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount? Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves. Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by skinkestek »

DSingularity wrote: post #142
skinkestek wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. > Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. This is another important discussion. However the recent east Jerusalem case has been about Jewish homes that was given to Arab families during the short Jordanian rule of the area, wasn't it? > Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. I…

You act like East Jerusalem is the only place where Israelis are colonizing Palestinian lands. It is common for the Israeli army to show up to some nice land, declare the land a military zone, proceed to kill and evict Palestinians, and then begin construction of a new settlement for new settlers. But why are we surprised by this? This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and t…

> This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee.

One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults.

What you say is of course to some degree right.

But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway because it makes people think it is one sided.

It isn't.

And media is constantly fueling the same lie.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by skinkestek »

skinkestek wrote: post #137
redis_mlc wrote: post #99

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The parent is largely correct. In addition, Iran is financing and using Gaza as a proxy war with Israel. I wouldn't call the IDF "100% humane", as they deliberately shoot reporters, but they are fighting a defensive war to avoid being pushed into the sea - there is no peace treaty with their neighbors. Arab countries have had decades to offer to resetttle Palestinians and Uighurs, but not a peep.

> I wouldn't call the IDF "100% humane", as they deliberately shoot reporters, sources? > Arab countries have had decades to offer to resetttle Palestinians and Uighurs, but not a peep. Also remember that far more jews have been chased from their homes in lands around Israel than Arabs from within Israel, the major difference being that Israel integrated its own people instead of abusing them as a living pawn in a ho…

Anyone who'd like to tell me what I got wrong?

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by sdasarter5634 »

radycov wrote: post #98
Zhenya wrote: post #96

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They are not bombing people, they are warning them (and also calling and texting them) to get out so that thee are no/limited civilian casualties and only the infra is destroyed which is housing rockets etc

Sure, how about I drop a 30 second "door knock" before I blow your life to smithereens because I feel like your 10 story building might be hiding a few kalashnikovs? Feel free to evacuate to the few hundred meters of free space in the world's largest open air prison. The simple fact is: this is colonialist ethnic cleansing and the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouri…

Just to be clear again:

> "door knock"

is a hellfire missile being blown up above someone's home.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by redis_mlc »

skinkestek wrote: post #145
skinkestek wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't call the IDF "100% humane", as they deliberately shoot reporters, sources? > Arab countries have had decades to offer to resetttle Palestinians and Uighurs, but not a peep. Also remember that far more jews have been chased from their homes in lands around Israel than Arabs from within Israel, the major difference being that Israel integrated its own people instead of abusing them as a living pawn in a ho…

Anyone who'd like to tell me what I got wrong?

1) IDF "kneecaps" reporters (shoots them in the knees) to get them out of their way. This has been reported for decades.

2) The SJWs, regardless of side, refuse to recognize there is a war. Protesting isn't going to solve anything since neither side has anywhere to go.

3) There was plenty of media coverage of Iran involvement recently. Again, if you're a SJW and don't know that, you're misguided.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/irans-role-in-the-latest-g...

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/555594-irans-desta...

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by DSingularity »

skinkestek wrote: post #144
DSingularity wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You act like East Jerusalem is the only place where Israelis are colonizing Palestinian lands. It is common for the Israeli army to show up to some nice land, declare the land a military zone, proceed to kill and evict Palestinians, and then begin construction of a new settlement for new settlers. But why are we surprised by this? This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and t…

> This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults. What you say is of course to some degree right. But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway…

Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by potiuper »

intro-b wrote: post #9
potiuper wrote: post #8

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"Nearly 100"; the use of statistics in the article is jarring. Also, the explanation of the Israeli's methodology is lacking; the cropped screenshots are not very helpful in determining what the software can do. How does it map the "voids" to the previous structure? The map creation is certainly a probabilistic process. So, what expectation thresholds are being used? No names for the "2-D and 3-D" software. What is s…

did you even read the article? it goes somewhat deep into how they plan and orchestrate it, especially for a normal publication

Yes, I did read the article, and have listed details it would benefit from to allow further investigation.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

radycov wrote: post #143
jkkorn wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead t…

Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount? Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves. Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity.

"Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount?" You know what the "temple" in temple mount is right? the dome is literally built on top of the rubble of two jewish temples. Jews can only go there on specific days+hours, aren't allowed to even pray. For extra effect: it's also allegedly where jesus used to go pray. Some people might argue that israelites are the ones who got their land stolen.

That place is over the top contentious. Of course I agree that attacking worshippers is wrong. No one should be cool about that. Nonetheless, worth checking the "attacking worshippers".

"Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves" Do they though? Sheik Jarrah is a private citizen dispute. Literally two groups of citizens deliberating on who owns what.

"Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity."" Yeah they do. From here it looks like you're defending sending thousands of rockets (unguided) pointed at civilians. Hamas has nothing to do with Sheik Jarrah. Hamas only wants to create more conflict so that it can justify it's existence. Have you read their manifesto? It doesn't want peace, it want's the destruction of israel. Doesn't seem very negotiable.

The entire movement is predicated on struggle and conflict. Not peace and harmony.

Unfortunately for Hamas, the rocket launches are a recreational activity.

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