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SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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> brain damage leading to brain fog. Define "brain fog". Tell me what the diagnostic criteria are, and how one might make an objective measurement of its presence and magnitude. Bonus question: tell me how your stated criteria differs from the pre-established diagnostic criteria for depression. One can survey a random sample of the population, ask them if they have ever "felt the presence of God", and find a strong s…

> tell me how your stated criteria differs from the pre-established diagnostic criteria for depression. If the person lacks dysphoria or anhedonia, would that satisfy the question? I understand your angle (I think), but for comparison, the last time I had a serious flu I found that even after I felt better, it was extremely difficult to focus at work. For about 3 days, gradually improving each. I suspect that is what…

> If the person lacks dysphoria or anhedonia, would that satisfy the question?

No. That is certainly more specific than ~all of what you hear in the media surrounding "brain fog", but you can't define something by what it isn't.

Example: I have the wiggles. I'm not itchy though, and my muscles don't hurt.

OK, great. What are the wiggles?

> the last time I had a serious flu I found that even after I felt better, it was extremely difficult to focus at work. For about 3 days, gradually improving each. I suspect that is what people refer to as "brain fog"

Could be! The problem is, until there's a definition (and ideally some kind of objective measure), all of these self-reports are blind people describing different parts of an elephant.

> I guess a more constructive question would be -- assuming a long term cognitive impact, what (practical) research should these researchers be doing instead? Or what if when they asked about brain fog they _also_ asked about depressive symptoms?

We could start by simply using established terminology and testing. What percentage of patients reporting "brain fog" show up as depressed using a standard screen?

It's literally the easiest thing in the world to do...why isn't it done?

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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There's two major metrics to measure the severeness: the mortality rate and the infection rate. I think that "we haven't had the level of death we had in 1918 so the pandemic is less severe" ignores the fact that COVID-19 is far more infectious and therefore in a sense more severe since it will be awfully hard to get rid of for that reason (if we can indeed never get rid of it the number of deaths will keep growing,…

Varicella is more infectious than SARS-CoV-2 and it's under control with vaccines, same pattern: spread through the air, R0 chickenpox > R0 COVID-19, vaccines help with immunity and even when infected developing a mild version of the disease. There is hope, we might not get rid off it but if we could control chickenpox that is quite more infectious, we can have a little hope. Even more with more modern medicine.

> Varicella is more infectious than SARS-CoV-2

Well. So it was in our tentative models at the time of this author's writing (8 days). So it is not any more, as of a few days only (3 days).

...Ray Kurzweil was right. /Bitter Joke.

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