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Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Post by themark »

javagram wrote: post #142
kook_throwaway wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abusing high cycle thresholds for false positives isn't a new strategy. PCR inventor Kary Mullis is on video calling Fauci out for doing exactly that. Unfortunately I can't even link the two videos because they keep getting memory holed. If you search around you might get lucky, otherwise I'll upload my saved copy when I get off work.

Note that the background for this is that Kary Mullis believed AIDS wasn’t caused by HIV and was therefore angry at Fauci and the entire medical/scientific establishment for linking HIV and AIDS. He died in 2019 so his criticisms of Fauci were related to HIV, not SARS-CoV-2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_...

The video they are referring to has a very specific part about pcr testing (relevant to the discussion here). I think it is reasonable to trust his opinion on the matter regardless of what he thinks about AIDS.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Post by jimmygrapes »

javagram wrote: post #143
beerandt wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's harder to dismiss when you also consider the first vaccine approvals kept getting delayed until they were released immediately after the election.

Note that it was hardly “delayed” since all initial predictions for the vaccine to be approved were around 12 months, in the end it only took about 10 months. Reports last year indicated Trump’s own FDA was responsible for setting out the needed time for data gathering and review that pushed it into mid-November. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-okays-fda-months... Meanwhile other countries including China…

It is worth considering that maybe Sinovac (and whatever the Russian one(s) is/are called) may have been released far earlier than they would have been if the U.S. and others had not developed their own faster. Think of space wars - even if you lose the race to first, you still want to be in 2nd vs 500th. If they were developed at a more traditional pace, would they be more effective? Would any of them be? And what would be the consequences of waiting? Would it be millions more deaths, or would natural herd immunity emerge? Both? Would the more virulent variants have appeared without a marginally effective strain evolving as a result of marginally effective vaccines?

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Post by spookthesunset »

simpleguitar wrote: post #97
jaywalk wrote: post #50

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I don't think "Covid deniers" make up any significant percentage of the population, but that doesn't change the fact that this is proof that Covid is exaggerated.

I think covid deniers do make up a significant percentage of the population, and they would take this as proof of exaggeration even though it really isn't. US has had 1M excess deaths. That's a million people more than usual. http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess...

Your paper isn’t fact. It is an estimated published by perhaps one of the worst modelers out there. The IHME has been publishing scary models that couldn’t even accurately predict what was happening the day they were published.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Post by briefcomment »

themark wrote: post #151
javagram wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the background for this is that Kary Mullis believed AIDS wasn’t caused by HIV and was therefore angry at Fauci and the entire medical/scientific establishment for linking HIV and AIDS. He died in 2019 so his criticisms of Fauci were related to HIV, not SARS-CoV-2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_...

The video they are referring to has a very specific part about pcr testing (relevant to the discussion here). I think it is reasonable to trust his opinion on the matter regardless of what he thinks about AIDS.

He is also a Nobel laureate.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Post by briefcomment »

xyzzy21 wrote: post #134
forcry wrote: post #20

The most baffling thing is not standardising CT values for RT-PCR tests. I have looked and I cannot even find how increasing CT values affect the false positive rate for the PCR testing. If my understanding is correct a single increment of CT essentially doubles the sensitivity of the test, so difference between CT value of 35 and 40 is 32 fold. CDC is suggesting CT value of 28 for detecting breakthrough infections a…

Well if you want to "control public fear" for political and economic gain, you just adjust the CT value as required to bump up the positive rate or to lower it. Note that the US CDC is using two different CT values: a higher one for unvaccinated and a lower one for vaccinated. That doesn't make any sense until you start thinking Hobbsian/Hegalian/Machiavellian. If I was wanting to exploit the situation, this is exact…

Is there any proposed logic behind the difference in thresholds between the two groups? It seems designed to do just one thing - overestimate cases in the unvaccinated, and underestimate cases in the vaccinated. What is the actual rationale the CDC provides?

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Post by jonahbenton »

forcry wrote: post #20

The most baffling thing is not standardising CT values for RT-PCR tests. I have looked and I cannot even find how increasing CT values affect the false positive rate for the PCR testing. If my understanding is correct a single increment of CT essentially doubles the sensitivity of the test, so difference between CT value of 35 and 40 is 32 fold. CDC is suggesting CT value of 28 for detecting breakthrough infections a…

No. Nearly all EUA PCR COVID tests are qualitative. On saliva/sputum samples, that's really the best that can be done. They can report one or more Ct values, but those reflect specific characteristics of the platform and can not be normalized across platforms and cannot be used even to infer things like viral load.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

javagram wrote: post #147
nickthemagicman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying the definition of cases in 'actual science' vs 'the media' is different. Not a shocker that the media would sensationalize things. Science and PCR amplification... has a much looser definition with the possibility for much more false positives with such small number of cycles of amplification. It was done ostensibly for cautionary purposes but the media seized on it and painted red death map visualization…

> red death map visualizations for people to see with inflated death counts. There is no indication of inflated death counts. Death counts from covid correlate closely with excess deaths. Some have claimed that deaths did rise but because of lockdowns, however in “locked down” regions where reported Covid cases and deaths were low, so were excess deaths.

If you inflate infections, you are therefore are also inflating deaths, it's a 1 to X correlation.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

GuB-42 wrote: post #71

Another weird trend I picked up reading France reports on the pandemic is that non-Covid nosocomial infections decreased significantly during the pandemic.[1] As if Covid took over antibiotic resistant bacteria (a little) and other infections (a lot). There is no definite explanation, but mistaking other diseases for Covid is one hypothesis, along with anti-covid rules affecting other diseases. [1] https://www.santep…

You're going against the narrative, your data and your ideas don't matter no matter how legitimate they are. So you get downvotes.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Post by vmception »

So they tested people when or before they arrived and it said negative for covid, and then they tested again later while they were still in the hospital and it said positive for covid?

reads article

Of course people with Covid tested positive after admission because the test only occurs after admission.

reads article again

Of course the admission symptoms were not "for Covid" as the symptoms help you lead down the path of what the ailment is!

This study is about potential errors in reporting, which still need to be investigated.

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Post by vmception »

mizzack wrote: post #79
themark wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bring this up in conversations with people they make me feel like a kook. I am not sure what to think anymore.

It didn't help that the WHO released the updated guidelines the day Biden was inaugurated. For that reason alone it became another thought-terminating political topic -- you're either dismissed as a conspiracy theorist for correlating these events, or you're dismissing the value of the vaccine rollout/lockdowns/other measures, or you're a sheep following the dominant media narrative.

Things that occur after the election, such as changing testing standards, do not affect the election

so what does correlating these events have to do with anything while ignoring verifiable causation, such as the WHO already having documents about these changes going back to September 2020

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