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Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Thanks for your kind words and support. the shame and guilt associated with this makes it very traumatic for some people.

> the shame and guilt associated with this makes it very traumatic for some people. It's laughable that you think the solution to a problem like this is to share one's own vulnerabilities with a faceless private company.

support groups do help. it's proven to be effective with substance abuse addictions. we are helping people with a support group where users can share and help each other.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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> the shame and guilt associated with this makes it very traumatic for some people. It's laughable that you think the solution to a problem like this is to share one's own vulnerabilities with a faceless private company.

support groups do help. it's proven to be effective with substance abuse addictions. we are helping people with a support group where users can share and help each other.

They're sharing on your "platform". The only reason for you to do this is because it's profitable to you for some reason, hence, you're capitalizing on people's pains.

Support groups help in real life, not over some app where a faceless entity's purpose of existence is to extract your money.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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So that's a "no" to the question of whether there is any empirical evidence saying that this intervention has a positive effect. Got it. No evidence.

“Happiness” is one of the very few areas where self-reported data is still very good data.

i second that.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.

even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. it's not for everyone. we are firm believers in the free market economy and we are in no way saying that porn is bad or immoral etc. we are only assisting people who need help in quitting a problematic behavior.

Can I ask, how are you blocking it?

Also, it seems rather strange to me that you focus on porn when social media is a bigger problem.

But that's probably because of my own bias, I've been trying to quit Reddit and other garbage for years.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

#75
A nuanced and sophisticated approach should be able to identify and address the more problematic aspects of this activity whilst also acknowledging that people engage in it for many valid reasons.

So, for example, it would be heart-warming to see efforts like this coupled with measures to help tackle some of the underling/driving issues that affect individuals such as unmet emotional needs, loneliness and emotional insecurity. Harm-causing factors from the broader social context also need to be explicitly identified and tackled, such as those social and cultural systems that weaponize and exploit naturally occurring human behaviours in service of various systematic and abusive control mechanisms.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Isn’t it like dieting? What I mean is that digital escapism is a symptom, not a problem. Before social media existed, people used to fill up their time with: 1) Having many children 2) Watching TV 3) Excessive alcohol use etc. Media addiction is a manifestation of something, not the root cause.

Yes, it is like dieting, but I don't agree that it's necessarily a symptom of some underlying problem.

I used to think fat people were fat simply by choice. I mean, they are the only ones lifting the fork, right? But I no longer think it's this simple. We are the result of billions of years of evolution in a world where food was scarce. Those who didn't compete for food perished. Those who ate as much as they could when it was available survived. Nobody got fat because it was simply not possible.

Sex is similar. We are descended from males who mated with as many women as they could. Maybe not all men are like me, but there is a part of my brain that literally wants to mate with every attractive woman I see. Obviously this is not possible for many reasons, but like all men, I do have as much sex as I possibly can, it's just not that much (not more than once a day). But you can read stories from rock stars and the like who do have access to much more sex and it can ruin their lives. This high availability is analogous to the high availability of food in modern times.

Porn provides this high availability for normal people. It's like constantly available junk food. Even if I don't go looking for it, I am surrounded by it everywhere I look. Every other Youtube video is a woman with cleavage in the thumbnail. It's like being a fat person constantly surrounded with a buffet wherever I go. And remember, it's porn. It's not like I'm surrounded by cabbages and carrots, I'm surrounded by cakes and biscuits.

I fail to see how climbing a mountain or starting a business or any of the other wholesome pursuits you might be thinking of would curb the desire to eat or mate. The underlying problem here is deeply rooted in our animal brains. The best way to curb the eating problem is to ensure food isn't available. Don't keep any ready-to-eat food in your house. The best way to curb the sex problem is exactly the same.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. it's not for everyone. we are firm believers in the free market economy and we are in no way saying that porn is bad or immoral etc. we are only assisting people who need help in quitting a problematic behavior.

Can I ask, how are you blocking it? Also, it seems rather strange to me that you focus on porn when social media is a bigger problem. But that's probably because of my own bias, I've been trying to quit Reddit and other garbage for years.

our block depends on the device, on android it's dns and showing an overlay on adult contnet. in ios it's through dns/vpn.

regarding social media - that's next on our list! porn was the 1st use case and we plan to help people limit social media and gaming in the coming years.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

#78

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support groups do help. it's proven to be effective with substance abuse addictions. we are helping people with a support group where users can share and help each other.

They're sharing on your "platform". The only reason for you to do this is because it's profitable to you for some reason, hence, you're capitalizing on people's pains. Support groups help in real life, not over some app where a faceless entity's purpose of existence is to extract your money.

Eh, that's a low bar. By that metric therapists also capitalize on other people's pain.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Yes it is very similar to dieting. Generally people get Bored/Nervous/Sad/Angry and try to eliminate that emotion with a hit of dopamine via some external input like Food/Sex/Drugs/Entertainment instead of recognizing the emotion and dealing with it another way Meditation/Mindfulness/Therapy/Fixing a Life problem. Removing all carbs from your home forces you to get out of the house to get junk food. During that time…

quite true, porn is definitely very hard to stay off of as it's easily accessible at any time from any device.

Since we're being open and honest in this thread, when anyone says "porn" should I be reading it as "masturbating to porn" or are there a significant number of people looking at porn just for the quick hit of seeing sexual stuff?

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#80

Is this YC's version of getting in on the NoFap (and the porn "addiction") woo-ism? Such an odd thing to see on here. Anyway, on a technical level, how do you deal with apps like Reddit/Twitter which have tons of porn content without the user leaving for external links that you can block? How do you monitor that?

We do enforce NSFW filtering among platforms that provide a NSFW filtered option. E.g. youtube has such an option. It's quite challenging with reddit and social media sites. we have some indirect ways of blocking some of the social media content but in most cases. Users can also completely block "risky" apps.

Along with this, you could maybe also enforce google safe search or similar for search engines? As far as I know, Google allows such a thing
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