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Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

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Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

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> A new Yale study suggests that, in a sense, mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are even born.

"In a sense" ... A bit of a click-baity title for what amounts to suggesting that brain wiring is primed for sensing the world, which is not news.

The study itself looks to be more about how the brain primes itself (visual systems specifically). It may or may not have anything to do with dreaming.

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

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Really fascinating. Does this mean the world "view" is encoded into the DNA somehow and that then gets transformed into neural activity? How could a few billion pairs of acids encode such a world? What's even more fascinating is that emotions, behaviors, imagination and dreams must all be encoded and not learnt with just a billion-odd pairs / bits. Meanwhile, it takes a few megabytes for us humans to encode a decent…

complex emergent behaviors from simple rule systems is quiet common.

conways game of life is derived from 4 simple rules yet shows complex behavior including the ability to operate a universal turring machine.

a few hundred megs of instructions seems quiet reasonably able to generate a highly complex system

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

#84

Really fascinating. Does this mean the world "view" is encoded into the DNA somehow and that then gets transformed into neural activity? How could a few billion pairs of acids encode such a world? What's even more fascinating is that emotions, behaviors, imagination and dreams must all be encoded and not learnt with just a billion-odd pairs / bits. Meanwhile, it takes a few megabytes for us humans to encode a decent…

complex emergent behaviors from simple rule systems is quiet common. conways game of life is derived from 4 simple rules yet shows complex behavior including the ability to operate a universal turring machine. a few hundred megs of instructions seems quiet reasonably able to generate a highly complex system

You can play Tetris on GNU sed. You can play Zork on a PostScript interpreter by simulating the ZMachine on PS.

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How hard would it be to find random networks that don't need to be trained at all?

Depends on the size of the network I would guess. A Boltzmann brain would apparently take about 10^10^50 years to form from quantum fluctuation in a vacuum. Our hypothetical neural network would be less complicated than that, assuming we're not aiming for general AI, so I think we can safely take that as an upper bound...

With a uniform initialization, presumably you'd never need much more than 2^(network bit complexity) number of samples to come across an ideally-initialized network with decent probability, so that's 2^10^24 for anything that fits in a yottabyte.

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are these innate patterns of activity priming mammalian brains in a similar way? A newborn foal can stand within 55 minutes of being born and can walk or run within 90 minutes. That is crazy fast training speed. Is it training initialization or is it a form of transfer learning? Most human babies take 9-18 months to walk, and this is commonly attributed to the fact that human babies have immature brains that cannot…

> Most human babies take 9-18 months to walk, and this is commonly attributed to the fact that human babies have immature brains that cannot mature due to birth canal constraints I strongly doubt that human babies are physiologically capable of walking before 6-9 months regardless of their level of brain development. The entire baby is born many months "early" compared with other mammals due to the limitations of the…

Intel is an Old baby who walks with crutches. Intel delivered the 10nm Processor just 2 months back after a decade of failure. Their 7nm is still broken and so is there 5 and 3nm in research. And they hope to catch up to the competition by 2025 is a funny joke. Intel isnt a reliable delivery partner which is why Apple moved away to its own processors.

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

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Something about this reminds me of the 'Winning Ticket Hypothesis' in artifical neural networks: that some 'random' initializations prime a network far better for later faster learning. From https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03635 - the abstract: Neural network pruning techniques can reduce the parameter counts of trained networks by over 90%, decreasing storage requirements and improving computational performance of infere…

So, that sounds like a good reason to iterate over a bunch of random initializations and train them up to find those awesome resulting networks that are smaller but have the same accuracy (if I'm understanding that correctly and it's actually possible to isolate or take advantage of those subnetworks for a final smaller size).

Or... has anyone tries training a network for determining the initialization state of another network? And now I'm wondering if those good starting initialization values only work well for a specific task or if they seem to span all or a subset of tasks, and maybe there's some inherent quality in how the values relate that we can tease out...

Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born

#88
Is it possible that there's some kind of neural transfer from the mother's brain during pregnancy? I've been wondering if there is or if it's all genetic. Evolutionary it would be very interesting if consciousness wasn't genetic, but transferred during pregnancy.
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