I'm sure there is brain activity that prepares the baby for birth, but calling it a "dream" is just clickbait
I guess the suggestion that fetuses might dream probably seems outlandish if, for some reason, you were already committed to the idea that fetuses are "not alive."
Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Babies can't even roll-over until 4-6 months
Newborns have some ability to roll over that is lost and then regained, so it's not that they are physically incapable of rolling over.
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#64Something about this reminds me of the 'Winning Ticket Hypothesis' in artifical neural networks: that some 'random' initializations prime a network far better for later faster learning. From https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03635 - the abstract: Neural network pruning techniques can reduce the parameter counts of trained networks by over 90%, decreasing storage requirements and improving computational performance of infere…
How hard would it be to find random networks that don't need to be trained at all?
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#66What's even more fascinating is that emotions, behaviors, imagination and dreams must all be encoded and not learnt with just a billion-odd pairs / bits.
Meanwhile, it takes a few megabytes for us humans to encode a decent Hello World program in a modern programming environment.
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#67Given that we don’t know what dreaming is, that analogy adds unnecessary confusion to interpreting the phenomenon described in TFA.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most human babies take 9-18 months to walk, and this is commonly attributed to the fact that human babies have immature brains that cannot mature due to birth canal constraints I strongly doubt that human babies are physiologically capable of walking before 6-9 months regardless of their level of brain development. The entire baby is born many months "early" compared with other mammals due to the limitations of the…
This person's baby walked at 8 months [1] [1] https://www.scarymommy.com/complete-shock-early-walking-baby...
Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born
#69I'm sure there is brain activity that prepares the baby for birth, but calling it a "dream" is just clickbait
I guess the suggestion that fetuses might dream probably seems outlandish if, for some reason, you were already committed to the idea that fetuses are "not alive."
Re: Mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are born
#70Something about this reminds me of the 'Winning Ticket Hypothesis' in artifical neural networks: that some 'random' initializations prime a network far better for later faster learning. From https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03635 - the abstract: Neural network pruning techniques can reduce the parameter counts of trained networks by over 90%, decreasing storage requirements and improving computational performance of infere…
> Are these innate patterns of activity priming mammalian brains in a similar way? A newborn foal can stand within 55 minutes of being born and can walk or run within 90 minutes. That is crazy fast training speed. Is it training initialization or is it a form of transfer learning? Most human babies take 9-18 months to walk, and this is commonly attributed to the fact that human babies have immature brains that cannot…
Interestingly, the EGG hypothesis postulates that the constraining factor is not pelvis size, but rather that neonates consume so much energy that we give birth just before a women's metabolic limits would otherwise be overrun (leading to both maternal and infant death). Based on this, the increased energy demands of our larger brains mean that we have to sacrifice neonatal motor skills or drastically improve the metabolic efficiency of adult women.
https://www.pnas.org/content/109/38/15212
> In humans, maximum sustained metabolic rate is thought to be 2.0–2.5× basal metabolic rate (BMR).
> By 9 mo, metabolic demands of the fetus threaten to push maternal energy requirements beyond 2.1× BMR. Extending gestation by even one month would likely require metabolic investment beyond the mother’s capacity. Instead, the mother delivers and the neonate’s growth rate slows relative to its fetal growth rate, keeping both the offspring’s and the mother’s energy requirements in check.