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Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

fsflover wrote: post #260
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This all started because someone posted "[...] there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft.", a point I sought to refute. That's it. I would say it is at least as good as this post: "You actually can directly listen to many scientists on social media." Literally everything that followed was people being upset I didn't give them reasoning to attack. Well you know what? I'm sick of their bullshit arguments…

"I love Windows" does not refute anything. It's just tribalism. "there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft" implies that Microsoft is bad, and on HN it's more or less accepted (mostly due to the user tracking and non-flexibility). Of course, there are still reasons to stay with Microsoft, so that argument is far from perfect too. > I would say it is at least as good as this post: "You actually can direc…

> "I love Windows" does not refute anything. It's just tribalism.

Let me sum up:

>> There's no good reason to use Windows

> If Windows fits how you use a computer better, then that is a good reason.

That's it, that's all I'm saying. I didn't even say Windows was good. I certainly didn't say I love Windows, because I really don't and you will find many posts by me to back that up.

> Bystanders read that and decide for themselves.

THIS thinking precisely illustrates why I didn't elaborate on why I use Windows. With evangelists it isn't about discussion, or understanding, it's about performing a fucking sales pitch and I'm goddamned sick of it.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by adar »

willis936 wrote: post #131
gruez wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and you start to uncover Windows annoyances that you never knew existed because you were used to them and conditioned into thinking they were normal for so long ..which promptly get replaced with mac annoyances. Random ones off the top of my head: * closing a window (using the red x icon) doesn't close the app * overwriting a folder deletes existing contents, rather than merging them * weird scroll acceleration that…

>* overwriting a folder deletes existing contents, rather than merging them Wait. If there truly is not a setting for this then it makes finder unusable as a file explorer and arguably the entire OS. Recursive merge is one of the most fundamental things a personal computer does.

I hate being the kind of internet guy who's like "X sucks" about something a lot of people have worked on, but I really, really, really dislike Finder. It fails as a file explorer on several fundamental levels. For example network shares in Finder feel so tenuous and like they could break any instant. Sometimes after you sleep your Mac and wake it up, you have to reboot to be able to reconnect to a network share.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by iggldiggl »

jaywalk wrote: post #218
rossmohax wrote: post #126

PUA == Potentially Unwanted Application. This is a class of application enterprises might not want to see on their computers. I bet there is a hidden registry key or something to allow PUA. If it was blocked on Home and Pro versions of Windows, then it is indeed odd.

It is indeed only Enterprise versions, and there is a simple PowerShell command to disable it: Set-MpPreference -PUAProtection Disabled

Just for completeness, there's also an option for that in the regular settings panel.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by willis936 »

paulmd wrote: post #222
willis936 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* overwriting a folder deletes existing contents, rather than merging them Wait. If there truly is not a setting for this then it makes finder unusable as a file explorer and arguably the entire OS. Recursive merge is one of the most fundamental things a personal computer does.

that's the pretty standard behavior on unix. Unless the window manager goes out of its way to override it, mv'ing a folder to a place where one already exists will replace the old folder with the new one. You can go out of your way to do it manually with rsync and similar tools, of course, but by default you're moving directory pointers around, not merging trees.

How many Unix graphical OS distributions are there even, let alone how many are installed?

Nautilus, the default file manager of GNOME (and by extension Debian and its children such as Ubuntu) handles recursive merge. This isn't an issue on Linux.

It's obviously bad design to have something as high level as a file manager be a glorified 2D wrapper of 2 command line tools.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #72
mmsimanga wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am guessing down votes are not for expressing your opinion but rather for not providing context. Why is Windows better option for you?

Why would it matter? So they could try and change my mind?[0] That I prefer the way Windows works is sufficient reason to continue to use it instead of Linux Desktop. Why is not really relevant. [0] I've played that game a thousand times and it is always an exercise in frustration. No thanks.

I swear Linux is a religion and its believers must CONVERT the heretics.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by mkw2000 »

smt88 wrote: post #228
mkw2000 wrote: post #207

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Is it? I've personally seen it label keygen type files (with no malware whatsoever) as dangerous more times than I can count. It's false and misleading and I don't see why they couldn't pull the same shit with anything else.

Windows is a consumer/business product. For the vast, vast majority of its customers, keygen files are going to be malware. It would only be censorship if you didn't have a choice to avoid Defender, and you obviously do, or if Microsoft had some sort of political interest in suppressing files named keygen.exe.

'For the vast, vast majority of its customers, keygen files are going to be malware.'

That's just not true though. They have the ability to detect malware. What they are doing is blindly labeling anything reslembling a keygen as malware , for no valid reason. This also doesn't just apply to Defender.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

robador wrote: post #35
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure their is: Windows is a better fit for the things I do with a computer. Edit: I know right? How dare I express a preference for Windows. Downvote me to hell because I don't like using your favored OS.

Is Windows the better fit or is it the software that runs on it that doesn't have linux support?

Is there a difference really? Microsoft spent years and literally billions to get developers on their OS (see Balmer's "developers developers developers" speech in the nineties). Of course some people consider this evil.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by smt88 »

mkw2000 wrote: post #266
smt88 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is a consumer/business product. For the vast, vast majority of its customers, keygen files are going to be malware. It would only be censorship if you didn't have a choice to avoid Defender, and you obviously do, or if Microsoft had some sort of political interest in suppressing files named keygen.exe.

'For the vast, vast majority of its customers, keygen files are going to be malware.' That's just not true though. They have the ability to detect malware. What they are doing is blindly labeling anything reslembling a keygen as malware , for no valid reason. This also doesn't just apply to Defender.

> What they are doing is blindly labeling anything reslembling a keygen as malware

First of all, that's not true. You can test it: create an empty file and name it keygen.exe. It won't get deleted.

The code inside the file has some similarly to one of the hundreds of thousands of malware used to train Defender, and there's a false positive.

None of that matters, though, because you can just not use it if it causes problems for you.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by CyberShadow »

paulmd wrote: post #222
willis936 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* overwriting a folder deletes existing contents, rather than merging them Wait. If there truly is not a setting for this then it makes finder unusable as a file explorer and arguably the entire OS. Recursive merge is one of the most fundamental things a personal computer does.

that's the pretty standard behavior on unix. Unless the window manager goes out of its way to override it, mv'ing a folder to a place where one already exists will replace the old folder with the new one. You can go out of your way to do it manually with rsync and similar tools, of course, but by default you're moving directory pointers around, not merging trees.

The window manager manages windows. It has nothing to do with the filesystem or how it's presented to the user.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

alyandon wrote: post #44

There are group policy settings to regain control over Windows Defender automatic quarantine/deletion: https://www.windows-security.org/6d29bb05ca76bf06eae9760e736... I use that and another setting to disable automatic sample submitting after catching Defender uploading sensitive files from my Firefox profile directory like places.sqlite.

Win10 home doesn't have that.

And I speak from experience that defender likes to magic away files to quarantine without any user interaction. Yes I didn't believe it either but it does. Indignation!

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