I found this document published by Intel which has all sorts of technical information about "CEC Friendly Motherboards" that appears to describe the regulatory framework that rules out sale of certain computers to customers in those six states, https://processormatch.intel.com/Resources/Program%20for%20C... .
PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#112Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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Why do the electric bills keep increasing?
In part, because the fixed infrastructure is built to serve peak demand, not average consumption. Bring down the peak (flatten the curve) and the rates will come down too. Or, put differently, rates are high exactly because California per-capita usage is low -- fewer kWh across which to amortize costs. Importantly, while California rates are relatively high, customer's bills are not -- because the customers use less…
Also, net metering and widespread consumer generation (largely solar) means that the fixed infrastructure costs are actually amortized not across the low total energy usage, but across a fraction of the total, already low, usage.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
The freedoms of collaboration over the Internet can taken away with: 1. widespread trusted computing (we're close) 2. banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) 3. political will to ban such freedoms (growing) How can those that prefer such freedoms preserve them? Political activism can. Can censorship resistant tech help in that situation? Plausibly deniable mesh networks? Sneakernet?
On further reflection, I'm optimistic: This nightmare scenario was proposed in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Broadband_and_Digit... for combatting piracy, and instead we have settled on a lesser evil of limited DRM to access Netflix. This permits torrenting, but torrenting is less prevalent now. A carbon tax is inevitable, and will alleviate the concerns such as OP's. Control over E2E encrypted messaging i…
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Because it’s cool to break the rules? Does it matter to you that these rules are trying to protect our civilization from dissolving in a heap of wildfires, floods, power outages, droughts, storms, etc? This stuff is not just hypothetical any more.
You probably waste more electricity running your dishwasher instead of by hand than running a laptop. If battery usage is a problem because of climate change, then tax carbon and you can decide to cut back or pay more on dish washing, food deliveries, big houses with huge heating cost and the like, and everyone who wants a cool laptop can spend their money (or carbon credits) on that. If that's what's bothersome, the…
Handwashing wastes energy compared to using a dishwasher, because it uses significantly more water that costs energy to purify.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. According to Natural Resources Defense Council via NYT, "about a quarter of all residential energy consumption is used on devices in idle power mode" in Northern California [1]. Huge opportunity for efficiency improvement through regulatory action, given idle power consumption is otherwise an afterthought for both manufacturers and consumers. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/science/just-how-much-pow...
> about a quarter of all residential energy consumption is used on devices in idle power That cannot possibly be true. I would love to know how they calculated that. In New Zealand only about 20% of home electricity is used on electronics. And in the USA it appears to be even lower. https://www.nzcompare.com/n/power/average-household-electric... https://www.visualcapitalist.com/what-uses-the-most-energy-h... Dryers,…
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. According to Natural Resources Defense Council via NYT, "about a quarter of all residential energy consumption is used on devices in idle power mode" in Northern California [1]. Huge opportunity for efficiency improvement through regulatory action, given idle power consumption is otherwise an afterthought for both manufacturers and consumers. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/science/just-how-much-pow...
> about a quarter of all residential energy consumption is used on devices in idle power That cannot possibly be true. I would love to know how they calculated that. In New Zealand only about 20% of home electricity is used on electronics. And in the USA it appears to be even lower. https://www.nzcompare.com/n/power/average-household-electric... https://www.visualcapitalist.com/what-uses-the-most-energy-h... Dryers,…
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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These aren't that powerful from a computing standpoint; They use low-end i5 11400F along with a low-end nVidia 1650 Super and have 8GB single-channel memory. Also, I think it's more about inefficiency when sleeping and idle.
Yeah, but for me its more about it being illegal than actually being a good laptop.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
These aren't that powerful from a computing standpoint; They use low-end i5 11400F along with a low-end nVidia 1650 Super and have 8GB single-channel memory. Also, I think it's more about inefficiency when sleeping and idle.
If it was about inefficiency there would be regulations about efficiency, not raw power usage.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Because it’s cool to break the rules? Does it matter to you that these rules are trying to protect our civilization from dissolving in a heap of wildfires, floods, power outages, droughts, storms, etc? This stuff is not just hypothetical any more.
You probably waste more electricity running your dishwasher instead of by hand than running a laptop. If battery usage is a problem because of climate change, then tax carbon and you can decide to cut back or pay more on dish washing, food deliveries, big houses with huge heating cost and the like, and everyone who wants a cool laptop can spend their money (or carbon credits) on that. If that's what's bothersome, the…