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Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by lmilcin »

datad wrote: post #20
lmilcin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases. Now it is a bit too late to think about getting rid of it completely but the pandemic will not be over until people realize you can't lift restrictions until it is really over and that everybody needs to get vaccinated. Unfortunately, viruses are not politically motivated and are not swayed by…

“ Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases.” No, Chinese government stalled, suppressed doctors and scientists who were screaming out about the virus months, literally, before anybody outside the Chinese government was aware. That’s a matter of record and easily verified.

Chinese government did what Chinese government usually does. Then the rest of the world decided to wait for couple of months to react even with full knowledge of seriousness of the situation.

"Let's wait before putting any restrictions on the population until we have enough cases."

Restrictions were probably unavoidable, but most of deaths could have been avoided by quick reaction.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by goes_brrrrrr »

Zababa wrote: post #14

> They even went to a hockey game indoors with thousands of people. > Mostly, he felt frustrated. He’s a journalist—he’s pretty tuned in to the news. He knew breakthrough cases were possible, but he had seen many assurances that they were extremely rare and not that big of a deal. > He would have worn a mask at the hockey game, for example—even though no one was wearing a mask at the hockey game, and the Centers for…

The CDC says it's safe because they are trying to "nudge" the public into getting vaccinated with a positive incentive - getting rid of the mask.

This whole pandemic the CDC proved that it cant think more than one step ahead. Just like it was advising against wearing masks because it was afraid of them being unavailable to health workers.

So the CDC credibility will take yet another hit after it insisted so hard that if you get vaccinated you can do whatever you want and you don't need to worry about covid ever again.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by kcplate »

The authors friend is described “Peeing behind dumpsters” on the road trip to avoid accidental exposure—but then goes to a hockey game unmasked with thousands of people.

Sorry, but something doesn’t jive with that and for me. The person who does one at of fear would certainly not do the other. I suspect there is a bit of embellishment happening with this article.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by x0x0 »

datad wrote: post #11
hindsightbias wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not. Fauci a year ago: Infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday he believes the world will “get control of” Covid-19, but “I don’t really see us eradicating it,” expressing a view in line with public health experts—but directly contradicting President Donald Trump’s claims made as recently as Tuesday that the virus will “disappear” https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/07/22/contrad...

But he has dangled the goal of herd immunity, while gradually upping the percentage of vaccination required to get there. Herd immunity to many people means “eradication” and the media has helped foster that belief.

It's not medical personnel's fault that people don't know what words mean. Again, medical personnel were clear that herd immunity would prevent widespread, but not local, outbreaks. It definitely didn't mean, and was never claimed to be, that you had no risk of getting sick.

Even on random fox news article that comes up via searching herd immunity, the subtitle is

"Herd immunity doesn’t make any one person immune"

https://www.foxnews.com/health/herd-immunity-looking-unlikel...

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by Zababa »

goes_brrrrrr wrote: post #22
Zababa wrote: post #14

> They even went to a hockey game indoors with thousands of people. > Mostly, he felt frustrated. He’s a journalist—he’s pretty tuned in to the news. He knew breakthrough cases were possible, but he had seen many assurances that they were extremely rare and not that big of a deal. > He would have worn a mask at the hockey game, for example—even though no one was wearing a mask at the hockey game, and the Centers for…

The CDC says it's safe because they are trying to "nudge" the public into getting vaccinated with a positive incentive - getting rid of the mask. This whole pandemic the CDC proved that it cant think more than one step ahead. Just like it was advising against wearing masks because it was afraid of them being unavailable to health workers. So the CDC credibility will take yet another hit after it insisted so hard that…

> Just like it was advising against wearing masks because it was afraid of them being unavailable to health workers.

That was the WHO goal too. I'm honestly not a fan of lying to the public tu "nudge" them into the right direction, and we should probably wonder why we're at this point. This is, I think, a sign that's something deep down is very broken.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by zarzavat »

datad wrote: post #12
zarzavat wrote: post #10

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The level of discourse and critical thinking in the mainstream media is made for uneducated people who don't understand even basic biology. There is a certain breed of scientist that just spouts bullshit. Unfortunately the media is so obsessed with "narratives" that it will seek these people out (and these bullshit artists seek out the media) so all nuance is lost. The moral of the story is, don't let other people do…

The average person has no ability to understand lipid nano particles. Many scientists and most doctors do not understand, so how is the average dolt like me going to figure it all out?

It's not the lipid nano particles that's the issue but basic high school biology that is missing.

People get confused because the media throws around high level concepts without building an appropriate mental model of how viruses, cells and vaccines actually function. This creates a fertile breeding ground for misconceptions.

For example there is a misconception that after people have been vaccinated they can shed SARS-CoV-2 as a result of being vaccinated. This seems to have started by the media saying that "people who are vaccinated can still pass on the virus" (a true statement).

So the media tries to counter this by saying "MYTH: people who have had the vaccine can't shed the virus" which just confuses the issue even more.

If the media was actually functional then it would educate people on basic biology and then they would be able to figure out on their own that A is false and B is true. Unfortunately this is not the media we have.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by rented_mule »

kcplate wrote: post #23

The authors friend is described “Peeing behind dumpsters” on the road trip to avoid accidental exposure—but then goes to a hockey game unmasked with thousands of people. Sorry, but something doesn’t jive with that and for me. The person who does one at of fear would certainly not do the other. I suspect there is a bit of embellishment happening with this article.

I read that as two different trips. The dumpster bit was during an earlier drive to Florida, presumably pre-vaccination. The hockey game was during a post-vaccination trip that saw them flying.

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by pseudo0 »

lmilcin wrote: post #15
datad wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he has dangled the goal of herd immunity, while gradually upping the percentage of vaccination required to get there. Herd immunity to many people means “eradication” and the media has helped foster that belief.

The percentage required was never a solid number in the first place and the shift is due to our better knowledge of the virus and the new strains that necessitate higher vaccination rate.

Fauci pretty openly stated that he moved the goalposts based on public sentiment regarding vaccination, not better knowledge of the virus. It has been very frustrating watching policymakers who really should know better (mask debacle, anyone?) repeat the same mistake of sabotaging their long-term credibility for short-term PR reasons.

> Fauci indicated that he based his shifting statements on public polling on the popularity of coronavirus vaccines.

> "When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent," Fauci said. "Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, 'I can nudge this up a bit,' so I went to 80, 85."

> He continued: "We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-shift-herd-immunity-9...

Re: What vaccinated people should know about their risk from the delta varian

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Post by kcplate »

rented_mule wrote: post #27
kcplate wrote: post #23

The authors friend is described “Peeing behind dumpsters” on the road trip to avoid accidental exposure—but then goes to a hockey game unmasked with thousands of people. Sorry, but something doesn’t jive with that and for me. The person who does one at of fear would certainly not do the other. I suspect there is a bit of embellishment happening with this article.

I read that as two different trips. The dumpster bit was during an earlier drive to Florida, presumably pre-vaccination. The hockey game was during a post-vaccination trip that saw them flying.

Yes, thanks, I missed the “flight” in that sentence.
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