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Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by polynomial »

cblconfederate wrote: post #44
machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

We need an alternative. Simple personal Rss will do. Users will go wherever the techies tell them to go

"techies"

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by kortilla »

betwixthewires wrote: post #60
andyxor wrote: post #5

join sci-hub rescue mission https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_... there is a new p2p client being developed (in Go) that makes sci-hub papers accessible via DOI https://www.reddit.com/r/libgen/comments/ompcvk/need_help_fr... it could use some help with indexing & IPFS integration (or just code review), see e.g. https://github.com/Trim21/sci-hub-p2p/pull/23

I would seriously consider focusing on IPFS integration and indexing using a distributed table. Most of these documents are already pinned on IPFS, focusing on bittorrent requires users to change how the files are shared, and we have all seen the rot that happens with bittorrent and trackers, try to find something from 30 years ago using bittorrent, or even 10 years ago in many cases. If you want to make these docume…

What keeps IPFS immune to the same rot? Who is going to pin these things?

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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mmaunder wrote: post #88
machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

I have been off Facebook for years. I was forced to rejoin because our head of marketing departed and I had to take over our company page. OH MY F*** GOD. I could not believe the mess of user engagement triggers and dark patterns that confronted me. (I'm an ops guy, a dev and a successful entrepreneur, currently a high growth CEO) I was literally nauseated. I've actually postponed the job just to avoid the damn thing…

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Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by type0 »

reader_mode wrote: post #109
mmaunder wrote: post #88

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I have been off Facebook for years. I was forced to rejoin because our head of marketing departed and I had to take over our company page. OH MY F*** GOD. I could not believe the mess of user engagement triggers and dark patterns that confronted me. (I'm an ops guy, a dev and a successful entrepreneur, currently a high growth CEO) I was literally nauseated. I've actually postponed the job just to avoid the damn thing…

If Facebook is cigarettes is HN alcohol ? Half joking, I often read about social media "detox" here on HN but at the same time HN is something like a social media platform that sucks more of my time than Facebook or Twitter. The only other platform I spend more time on is YouTube. I guess it's more to do with your tendencies than platform needing dark patterns.

HN is like coffee, use it with moderation and you'll be fine. Both are enjoyable.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by type0 »

macintux wrote: post #94
cmckn wrote: post #69

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Totally agree that HN checks a lot of the same boxes, but there are some significant differences. 1. Advertising. (Or lack thereof) 2. Moderation. Downvotes here literally slowly erase content that the community doesn’t like; I think this compliments the swift hand of dang in a great way. 3. Participation. This is just a WAG, but i think more HN users post comments or submit stories than Twitter users tweet. There is…

HN also lacks an algorithm tuned to encourage “engagement” through divisiveness.

In fact it has the opposite algorithm, someone more knowledgeable might know how it works, has something to do with the ratio of downvotes to comments if I remember correctly.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by meristohm »

type0 wrote: post #124
reader_mode wrote: post #109

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If Facebook is cigarettes is HN alcohol ? Half joking, I often read about social media "detox" here on HN but at the same time HN is something like a social media platform that sucks more of my time than Facebook or Twitter. The only other platform I spend more time on is YouTube. I guess it's more to do with your tendencies than platform needing dark patterns.

HN is like coffee, use it with moderation and you'll be fine. Both are enjoyable.

Quitting coffee (all caffeine, with coffee being my favorite source) brought my dreams back after two weeks or so. Not browsing HN (my socmed toe-dip after years with zero) helps me focus on making things, and also sometimes inspires me to make things, and is much easier to take a break from than Twitter was.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by prepend »

fortuna86 wrote: post #103
prepend wrote: post #83

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Except for the ones who are banned for violating the “Twitter Rules.” So it’s good if you like a feed of things tied to your direct interests, that Twitter allows. I’m interested in Sci-Hub. I don’t want to use Twitter for part of my interested and the ??? for other things.

> Except for the ones who are banned for violating the “Twitter Rules.” This reminds me of criticisms of "metoo". Yes, i'm sure someone somewhere got a raw deal. But as far as I can see the people banished deserve it, and the overall ecosystem is better for it.

So you think SciHub deserves it? And that we’re better off without their voice?

Obviously, you’re free to think what you like but this seems like a sad and limited worldview. Assuming that everything removed from my perception deserves to be removed.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

kortilla wrote: post #86
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #47

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> Other humans acknowledging your existence and even agreeing with your various opinions is a very very euphoric experience, it is true of any social media. Suddenly you have hundreds or even thousands of people that "get" you, that understand how great and clever you are. This is the drug that people can't quit. It’s always funny to see people discussing “social media” as some insidious drug that other people use to…

It’s not the same. I don’t have an option of who to build my echo chamber with. On Twitter and Facebook you get to remove anyone that challenges your thought process. That’s what makes it so dangerous and euphoric. Everyone you see is clapping for your stupid ideas and people just live in different realities now because of it. On HN we all get the same front page, same comments, etc. You might not like what gets the…

> It’s not the same. I don’t have an option of who to build my echo chamber with.

Maybe not immediately, but Hacker News is absolutely an echo chamber. People who don't toe the line on certain popular opinions (e.g. social media bad) quickly learn not to comment because they know they'll get massively downvoted.

Hacker News upvotes and downvotes are supposed to be about whether or not the comment is a quality post that contributes to the discussion, but in practice they tend to function as "agree" and "disagree" buttons. Post something that is disagreeable on certain echo chamber topics and it's immediately met with downvotes, regardless of the quality of the content.

This effect is most obvious in posts about social media, big tech companies, drugs, and certain parts of the law. For example, I hesitate to even participate in posts about "LSD cures depression" stories any more because most of the commenters don't even read the studies and any comment that isn't 100% enthusiastic about psychedelics curing depression is met with a wave of downvotes.

Likewise, when I see a story about social media I can tell before clicking on the comments that it will be full of comments that start with "I don't use social media but..." and then a straw-man caricature of social media that doesn't match reality.

These comment sections are absolutely an echo chamber. People who disagree are barraged with downvotes and abusive comments, so they simply leave.

I actually had to change screen names on HN once already because I pointed out some flaws in a certain author's books, and one of that author's fans tracked me down and tried to argue with me on my personal e-mail address. Nothing like that has ever happened to me on any other social media site.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

cmckn wrote: post #69
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Other humans acknowledging your existence and even agreeing with your various opinions is a very very euphoric experience, it is true of any social media. Suddenly you have hundreds or even thousands of people that "get" you, that understand how great and clever you are. This is the drug that people can't quit. It’s always funny to see people discussing “social media” as some insidious drug that other people use to…

Totally agree that HN checks a lot of the same boxes, but there are some significant differences. 1. Advertising. (Or lack thereof) 2. Moderation. Downvotes here literally slowly erase content that the community doesn’t like; I think this compliments the swift hand of dang in a great way. 3. Participation. This is just a WAG, but i think more HN users post comments or submit stories than Twitter users tweet. There is…

> Downvotes here literally slowly erase content that the community doesn’t like;

Most of the time downvotes are used to erase abusive content, but it's shocking how quickly some of the well-formed opinions in the content sections go gray if they don't agree with the popular opinion on HN.

At this point, I almost don't bother replying to HN comments if I know they'll just be met with waves of lazy downvotes.

The invisible hand of HN creates an echo chamber by teaching us not to post "content that the community doesn't like", which is often just comments that disagree with popular sentiment.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by 6510 »

betwixthewires wrote: post #104
6510 wrote: post #93

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> try to find something from 30 years ago using bittorrent The clients are bad nowadays. Old utorrent could easily seed many thousands of torrents. With utorrent web I don't even know how to get the torrent files or magnets out. I hear some ppl with seedboxes run multiple clients and restart each periodically. Thats not how things are suppose to work.

That might be a problem, but the big problem is that users of the system focus on consumer content such as movies and TV shows, and so people wind up seeding newer stuff or very popular stuff and as time goes by the number of seeds for older content goes down and the content gets lost, and there's little interest in seeding stuff from the 70s or 80s. Bittorrent is a bad way to archive anything long term because it is…

Yes, things are overly focused on pirating new releases and the clients are feeding into that problem (or that line of thinking)

I use to seed say 100 old things, sort by seeds, if there are leaches and no seeds give it 5-10 kb until a copy exists again (everything else I don't seed) I've also had things complete after years.

Disk space is cheap. It seems doable for clients to periodically run over archived torrents and seed the dead ones. In stead the whole list is actively parsed for every action.

Say someone has a youtube channel with 500 videos. Also distributing the videos over bittorrent shouldn't have to cost much. But then they have to jump a lot of hoops, run a client with 500 active seeds in it. Its so user-unfriendly a different [more dedicated] medium is probably a better idea at this point.

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