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Why is the university of California dropping the SAT?

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Post by flowerlad »

plandis wrote: post #505
flowerlad wrote: post #180

In most countries students apply to just 1 or 2 colleges. Because college admissions are predictable in other countries. In the US students apply to a dozen or more colleges, and each college requires custom essays. Then these applications go through "holistic reviews". In reality, because of the huge volume of applications, colleges spend 6 to 8 minutes reviewing each application, and the reviewer is often an inexpe…

I don’t know if it’s changed but when I was applying for colleges in 2007 many of them used the same application process called the “common app”. Any university using that meant you only had to fill out information once, including essays, and then you could send out the same application to multiple universities.

The common app is still in use, but most colleges require additional essays.

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Post by ikiris »

filoleg wrote: post #422
ikiris wrote: post #303

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Yes yes, have them do it at your lake house during the derby my good sport. You can even take more time if you have your chef prepare you meals so you can study through!

What? You are missing the point completely. The parent comment is saying that with the SAT removal, the only hard number the admissions officers have left to use is GPA. And GPA is just as gameable, if not even moreso than SAT scores, for kids with wealthy parents.

My response was in the privilege it takes to assume hiring a tutor is trivial / affordable for generic students, not that things can be gamed by wealthy parents.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

rayiner wrote: post #396
cmh89 wrote: post #386

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Deciding whether or not the SAT is equitable, fair, or valuable shouldn't have any anecdotal component. For every one person with a story like yours, there is someone who had a bad experience with it for reasons outside of their control. I did exceptionally well in take home or book assignments because I understand the subject matter, but never was a good test taker. I took the ACT and did 'fine' but I could have don…

That kid working 25 hours a week to help their family make rent is going to have an easier time buckling down for one test than keeping up their GPA over four years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/03/23/sta...

How does that work? You’re saying a child being literally homeless can focus on keeping GPA up?

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Post by phillypham »

crackercrews wrote: post #244

> There is only one group of students who are “overrepresented,” to use the chilling language of social engineering, at the university: Asian Americans. This is partly because of the yield rate of Asian students. This refers to the rate that admitted students choose to attend UC. White, Black, and Hispanic students all choose to attend UCs at less than 40%. The yield rate for Asian students is 48%. If Asians had the…

It wouldn't surprise me if at least one factor contributing to the higher yield of Asian American students is that they are being discriminated against at Ivy+ schools and have to "settle" for UCs that don't practice affirmation action.

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Post by tdeck »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #398
cmh89 wrote: post #386

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Deciding whether or not the SAT is equitable, fair, or valuable shouldn't have any anecdotal component. For every one person with a story like yours, there is someone who had a bad experience with it for reasons outside of their control. I did exceptionally well in take home or book assignments because I understand the subject matter, but never was a good test taker. I took the ACT and did 'fine' but I could have don…

Not sure what data you're talking about. What I've seen so far: SAT Income are correlated => let's not rely on SAT? That's such a BS argument. Anything related to income will be (statistically speaking) associated with intelligence and other personal traits (perseverance etc). Any of this will be obviously correlated with your kid's SAT --- it's called genetics. Any other, more sensible data to look at?

> Anything related to income will be (statistically speaking) associated with intelligence and other personal traits (perseverance etc). Any of this will be obviously correlated with your kid's SAT --- it's called genetics.

No, it's called social darwinism.

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

junar wrote: post #509
google234123 wrote: post #453

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I dont think the essay can bring down the score that much.

Seconding this. The former Writing section was not just the essay: it also had multiple-choice questions. Effectively, the essay itself was worth between 100 and 200 points, and the multiple-choice made up the rest. https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-score-chart-raw-score-conve...

That’s the second version of the writing section. I’m talking the one given in 2005 which was different.

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Post by junar »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #516
junar wrote: post #509

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Seconding this. The former Writing section was not just the essay: it also had multiple-choice questions. Effectively, the essay itself was worth between 100 and 200 points, and the multiple-choice made up the rest. https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-score-chart-raw-score-conve...

That’s the second version of the writing section. I’m talking the one given in 2005 which was different.

The post I cited is from 2015, which still describes a 3-section SAT. As far as I know, the SAT format remained the same from 2005 until March 2016.

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Post by jetpackjoe »

pfisherman wrote: post #15

I think the University of Texas has one of simplest and most egalitarian admissions policies that I have seen. If you graduate in the top 10 percent of your class, then you are guaranteed admission to all state funded universities. As a Californian I find it quite ironic that many policies in “conservative” Texas (ex. university admissions, property tax, income tax) are more much more progressive than what we have in…

Am I wrong in thinking that the top third are guaranteed admission to a CSU?

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Post by akomtu »

tdhz77 wrote: post #378
xwdv wrote: post #348

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Absolutely not. Any attributes like race and gender should play no consideration in a fair admissions process. It should not even be public information.

The color blind thinking modal has a long history of helping the majority stay the majority. What you propose is to continuing allow the status quo, which has already by statistical aggregation of college entrance proved to allow under performing “whites” in. Have you not seen the news where Aunt Becky got her kid in? Without tough affirmative action rules, Aunt becky’s kids get in and your kids don’t. This thinking…

That's an intellectually lazy rhetoric inspired by probably those ibram kendi's books. People who promote it really deserve to live in a society where dentists, surgeons, engineers making cars and bridges, all get their jobs because they are "underprivileged minorities" of some sort and not the best and most competent in their field.
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