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Post by silverlake »

nrp wrote: post #507
heywherelogingo wrote: post #454

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Sounds sensible. They're working on it but wouldn't want to have an unexpected obstacle turn into broken promises.

That is right. I’ve answered a few questions in these comments where the answer is basically: It’s technically possible, there is a plausible market need, we think it is worthwhile to do, and we’ve designed for it architecturally, but we can’t commit to a specific date because there are always implementation risks, supplier risks (especially this year), and a large number of programs we have to prioritize between as…

This is the perfect answer. Paste this into every feature request thread.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by webmobdev »

nrp wrote: post #228
oxplot wrote: post #140

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Major thumbs-up for AMD chip. With a replaceable main board, this will be a dream. I ordered a framework laptop at its highest CPU+RAM spec and can't wait to replace my 6 years old ThinkPad x250 with it. EDIT: would also add that the open source design USB-C based side modules are amazing - looking forward to designing my own modules.

Thanks! We're looking forward to seeing the modules everyone develops, and we're excited to get new mainboards out in the future.

Congratulations! I am really glad to see Framework deliver - I forwared your website to everyone in my contacts list as I was really stoked by what you promised. I certainly hope you can keep up the momentum and consider launching better screens (bigger size, higher PPI, higher resolution) with better processors (AMD). Will definitely be ordering a Framework v2 or v3 (when hopefully you've ironed out all the kinks in v1).

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by buu700 »

kyledrake wrote: post #706

There really needs to be an option to include Linux or even just no OS. It's really frustrating to have to pay the Microsoft tax for something that's supposed to give me a choice and modularity.

On a related note, Libreboot would be a killer feature for these things.

If I'm being honest, there's very little chance of me leaving my M1 MBA for anything other than another Apple Silicon machine any time soon. That being said, a modular laptop that was also fully open would be very tempting, particularly if it were otherwise competitive (in terms of portability, performance, battery life, display quality, etc.).

All of that would probably also require supporting next-gen desktop ARM SOCs (like the 8cx, but from the future), or waiting for x86 to catch up and then copying Purism in neutralizing Intel ME / AMD PSP.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

kyledrake wrote: post #706

There really needs to be an option to include Linux or even just no OS. It's really frustrating to have to pay the Microsoft tax for something that's supposed to give me a choice and modularity.

We agree! The Framework Laptop DIY Edition comes without an OS or OS license: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition

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Post by nrp »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #626

This looks great. My only comment is whether the population for whom this is interesting wouldn't be more likely to want Linux? I suspect the focus on Windows is misplaced. I might get one, but I'd want 100% Linux support, notably wrt. power management. EDIT: language

Definitely. We ship the Framework Laptop DIY Edition without an OS under the expectation that folks will bring their preferred distro. We're testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34, and the recent respins of the latter have full Framework Laptop support out of the box.

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Post by nrp »

skykooler wrote: post #652
nrp wrote: post #525

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Absolutely. We’ve already released open source reference designs publicly for the Expansion Card system, and we’re happy to enable third parties on other modules too.

What about the cover with the keyboard and trackpad?I know you've said it's expensive to make tooling for, but perhaps a 3rd party could offer an alternate version with a trackpoint or something?

If any company is interested, it's certainly a conversation we'd like to have.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

z3ugma wrote: post #704

Does it look to anyone else like all the screen images on the website are pasted on in Photoshop, with some slightly misaligned angles that hit prime "uncanny valley"?

We actually do take photos with the screen on, but we use super bright studio lighting photography, which makes it hard to get enough dynamic range to show both the product and the display well. In the future, we'll take the time to build a flow to do stacking with multiple exposures for product photography, but for now for some of the images we just used a screenshot and composited. You can go onto our blog to find some of the display-on photos, like in this post: https://frame.work/blog/1080p-webcam

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

Teknoman117 wrote: post #660

Is there any public documentation about the expansion card interface? Is it USB 3 or Thunderbolt or something custom? The storage expansion card says it's using USB 3.2.

We need to put out more documentation around the host side of it, but it is USB4, supporting DisplayPort Alt Mode on all four ports. For Thunderbolt, we can't state anything until we can complete certifications. For the device side, we've published open source reference designs to let folks develop their own cards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

cl3misch wrote: post #481
gnull wrote: post #321

Is there a possibility to install more exotic peripherals like 4g modem (or a smartcard slot)? I don't see them mentioned anywhere, but I'd expect a hackable laptop to have these.

The concept sounds more like "user serviceable" than "hackable" to me. But still, knowing the physical dimensions of the slot and having the USB-C port itself providing retention, it should be straightforward for 3rd parties to design more peripherals.

We've actually released reference designs and documentation for the Expansion Card system under an open license: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards
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