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SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by lambdaphagy »

peteretep wrote: post #183
lambdaphagy wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you're ok, but I'm surprised you describe SOB as a slight inconvenience. In general, SOB is a pretty bad sign-- you're having trouble getting the one thing you'll die fastest without. Sure, you can put up with temporary mild SOB if you know it's going to stay mild, but not everyone can know that :/

> but I'm surprised you describe SOB as a slight inconvenience Ever been to a high altitude city? I was short of breath for my first week in Mexico City, and my lungs hurt after exercise. It’s very disconcerting, but also just a slight inconvenience.

Yes, it's a minor inconvenience when it's expected and you have confidence in a good prognosis. It can be tortuous when you don't know whether it's about to get worse.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by xpe »

kaczordon wrote: post #270
xpe wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation, please? And how does this point (if true) factor into the broader discussion being made?

The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Now that old people are vaccinated there’s no reason to mandate or require vaccines. Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission. This study just drives home the point. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

> This study just drives home the point.

Where does the study say this?

It is important to distinguish your interpretation of the data from what the study write-up says.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by xpe »

kaczordon wrote: post #270
xpe wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation, please? And how does this point (if true) factor into the broader discussion being made?

The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Now that old people are vaccinated there’s no reason to mandate or require vaccines. Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission. This study just drives home the point. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

> The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system ...

No. You are misusing the abbreviation. OP means original poster: "The original poster is the person who starts a discussion thread" https://www.howtogeek.com/698508/what-does-op-mean-online-an...

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by xpe »

kaczordon wrote: post #270
xpe wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation, please? And how does this point (if true) factor into the broader discussion being made?

The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Now that old people are vaccinated there’s no reason to mandate or require vaccines. Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission. This study just drives home the point. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

> The point ... is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people.

Specifically:

> but the pressure was only there because of old people.

Here is a definition of the world "only" from the Apple dictionary: "and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively".

With this definition in mind, on what basis can you make the claim above? Provide a citation please.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by xpe »

kaczordon wrote: post #270
xpe wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation, please? And how does this point (if true) factor into the broader discussion being made?

The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Now that old people are vaccinated there’s no reason to mandate or require vaccines. Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission. This study just drives home the point. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

> Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission.

It is not a reader's job to "just look at ...". Point us to a study if you want to persuade.

Furthermore, pointing at a data set or graph is not sufficient. Data in isolation (by this I mean a table full of numbers) does not prove causation. Only by understanding how the data is collected (i.e. the experimental design) can we start to reason about causation.

I'm saying this because I've seen people point to a graph and say "Don't you see X?" (where X is an inference) as if it were an obvious fact. On the contrary, a valid inference requires statistical thinking, which requires understanding how the data was collected and some kind of model.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by effie »

ben_w wrote: post #249
effie wrote: post #231

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You can't compare getting vaccinated with getting bad COVID in this way. Getting vaccine is like a Russian roulette, because you do not know whether you are in the group of poor people who get maimed or killed by it. But not getting a vaccine is not like going to meet all people in town and hoping for the best. There are alternative strategies that reduce your risk of getting COVID and risk of severe health results f…

> But not getting a vaccine is not like going to meet all people in town and hoping for the best. Absent vaccines the disease only goes away when too many people have caught the illness; that means you can only avoid catching it with your approach (regardless of what it is!) if you are an unusual and exceptional case. > There are alternative strategies that reduce your risk of getting COVID and risk of severe health…

> The best way to reduce the of risk of severe health results from COVID is literally take one of the twenty different vaccines

I don't disagree with that, although I am not sure either, it's too early to tell regarding unknown long-term efficacy and side-effects.

The point is, many people don't need to risk the (hypothetical) best way (TM) when there are proven different ways of reducing COVID impact of similar efficacy (those who care know about them, often posted for discussion here on HN). Especially given the censorship, one-sided expertology and disinformation about vaccines and available treatments from the governments, institutions and media.

These groups really f-d up the vaccination program with their despicable tactics and large masses of people are not going to vaccinate precisely because of that - the main vaccine pushers quickly became completely untrustworthy.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by glandium »

lmilcin wrote: post #242
glandium wrote: post #227

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Infection rate is going up in Israel now.

It is going up because new strain reached, for which the current vaccine and level is not enough protection. I wrote that in the post you responded to, it seems you kinda forgot to read the last sentence.

The sentence before that switched to Poland. It's fair to think the last sentence applied to Poland. After all, you were claiming eradication in Israel.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by kaczordon »

xpe wrote: post #274
kaczordon wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point OP is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Now that old people are vaccinated there’s no reason to mandate or require vaccines. Just look at UK or Israel and the case rates there for how effective vaccines are against transmission. This study just drives home the point. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

> The point ... is making is it relieves pressure on the healthcare system, but the pressure was only there because of old people. Specifically: > but the pressure was only there because of old people. Here is a definition of the world "only" from the Apple dictionary: "and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively". With this definition in mind, on what basis can you make the claim above? Provide a citat…

I just assumed most people weren’t living under a rock and were aware of the basic facts of COVID. Study from Italy shows almost 90% of hospitalizations are in the 65+ group: https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article/75/9/1796...

So just to sum it up again for you:

90% of 65+ are vaccinated in the US.

This study shows an attack rate of 60% which means vaccinated individuals can both contract and spread the virus.

Previously infected individuals had an attack rate of 0%.

So no, mass vaccination of the younger population provides no “public good” and for younger individuals probably has a negative cost/benefit due to side effects.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by lugged »

kadoban wrote: post #49
lugged wrote: post #43

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Some claim it can still be irradicated. But those people get banned on YouTube for saying bad words so you probably won't believe me.

Do they say how? Doesn't seem like it even makes sense anymore. I'm going to guess based on your youtube wording that their answer is not vaccines?

Vaccines + ivermectin. The numbers seem to work but only if you accept the Mexico City study. Or the numbers coming out of India.

Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by vfclists »

criticaltinker wrote: post #84

As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. The authors of this study conjecture that the unvaccinated asymptomatic “patient 40” may have been the source of the infections seen in the other fully vaccinated patients - however this was a mi…

> My understanding is that this is a relatively new and perhaps highly understudied phenomenon

It is neither relatively new or understudied. Everyone's favourite "anti-vaxxer", the Godfather of the "Anti-Vaxx Movement", Andrew Wakefield has been saying so for some time.

Vaccines: Their Safety, Effectiveness, and Risks https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbkS7FXQ1321h9H5HdbwP...

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