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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by baybal2 »

midasuni wrote: post #500
rsynnott wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High-end 15" laptops already have 100Wh batteries, and 100Wh is the practical maximum. So abandoning LPDDR would lead to a reduction in battery life on the high end, which probably isn't going to fly.

> isn't going to fly. Literally - 100Wh batteries are maximum you can take on planes

In US, on non international flights, you can take 160wh ones if they are replaceable.

Strangely, the rule comes from ICAO.

Some countries too follow the 160wh standard, but most airlines simply don't bother enforcing anything, but the lowest common denominator.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by vimacs2 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #521
morganvachon wrote: post #505

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I wasn't trying to dismantle an argument, just pointing out that the parent had no clue what they were talking about, and a little research would make for a stronger position to argue from (and save some embarrassment). I actually prefer laptops with upgradeable components and I'm definitely weighing replacing my two aging Thinkpad laptops (running OpenBSD and Void Linux respectively) with the Framework Laptop. I had…

Sorry, I got the X1 carbon wrong from a list of 3 laptops off the top of my head. I must have been thinking of another Lenovo and mixed them up. What I don't understand is why you felt the need to get aggressive and diss me in 2 different posts saying I have no clue what I'm talking about or that I'm making stuff up and calling for my embarrassment, only for a small mistake, when you could have made the same argument…

Now that's what I call a courteous roundhouse kick to the social nads courtesy of the great Chuck Norris.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Causality1 »

Shame they don't offer a touchpad with separate buttons. I will never understand why people tolerate clickpads. They're just ok with not being able to feel where the dividing line between left and right clicking is? The way the pointer slightly jiggles every time they click doesn't bother them?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ineedasername »

vimacs2 wrote: post #541
dhosek wrote: post #470

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To fit more battery. Other than my Mac mini, every computing device (including watch and phone) I own is mostly battery inside.

Which you could also do by simply making the device a little thicker and have a battery run the entire width of the device. Point is past a certain point, thinness becomes more of a drawback than a benefit, especially given the trade-offs involved.

You might want that trade off, but consumers in general have been leaning towards thinner and lighter for years. Just look around at complaints about the thickness of early android watches being too big and chunky. Or the huge popularity when the first MacBook Air came out.

Given the option between thicker w/ a bit more battery life or thinner and lighter, consumers are choosing thinner and lighter.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by bombcar »

Causality1 wrote: post #553

Shame they don't offer a touchpad with separate buttons. I will never understand why people tolerate clickpads. They're just ok with not being able to feel where the dividing line between left and right clicking is? The way the pointer slightly jiggles every time they click doesn't bother them?

I can’t figure out how to click and drag on them! I can click, I can move the pointer, but switching between those seems to unclick.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ribit »

mikepurvis wrote: post #511
mumblemumble wrote: post #468

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I've never done anything beyond amateur electronics, so sorry if I'm way off base here, but it at least seems intuitively plausible to me that soldering the components to the board allows them to work reliably at lower power. With a pin and socket connection, you've got to try and be at least reasonably resistant to corrosion or other sources of less-than-perfect connection. That said, I don't know that RAM chips are…

Up until relatively recently, a lot of laptops and even phones would put the connectors on separate PCBs connected by a ribbon, so that damaging those wouldn't mean a $500 motherboard replacement. I definitely remember ordering a replacement headphone socket board for an old MacBook and just putting it in myself, and I've done similar with, eg, the connector port board on a PS4 controller. But I guess this is one of…

If I am not mistaken the ports on recent Apple machines are on a separate, easily replaceable board.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by augusto-moura »

Causality1 wrote: post #553

Shame they don't offer a touchpad with separate buttons. I will never understand why people tolerate clickpads. They're just ok with not being able to feel where the dividing line between left and right clicking is? The way the pointer slightly jiggles every time they click doesn't bother them?

Well, I'm not sure about repairability of the case, but I suppose that after buying you can always buy/hack your own build with separate buttons. This is the beauty of full repairable hardware

If this is a popular idea you can even monetize pre-built touchpads

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by oldandboring »

morganvachon wrote: post #416
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #294

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>What a bunch of nonsense. These are tiny laptops, and every bit of space inside is used. Soldering on RAM chips is an obvious optimization to make the laptop thinner. THIS is nonsense. Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon and LIFEBOOK series come to mind). Just recently they abandoned this and moved to soldering everything. The Framewo…

> Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon ... You're just throwing names out there without even knowing what you're talking about. The very first generation X1 Carbon came with soldered RAM and no upgrade path, and that hasn't changed yet. I know this because I've owned several generations of that laptop. I just checked Wikipedia to back u…

A better example would probably be the Lenovo T-series. Recent models eg. T490s have soldered RAM, but if you go back to eg. T460s there were DIMM sockets for upgrading, and the laptop was quite thin. But, that was 5 years ago already.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by goodpoint »

ribit wrote: post #286
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

> In what universe is that normal? In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM. Premium ultracompact laptops have long moved to LPDDR which is both faster and consumes significantly less energy than regular modular DDR. And LPDDR does not come in DIMMs. And then you have Apple who are using custom package technology with custom RAM chips to cut down RAM power consumption to under one watt activ…

> Modularity is not a free lunch

Hold on. This is true for excessive modularity.

Yet, most of the time, lack of modularity (e.g. bundling) creates lock-in reducing customer's choice and ultimately increasing prices.

When PCs became standardized ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_compatible ) prices dropped incredibly.

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