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Post by ljm »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #338
r9 wrote: post #328

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There's a subtle difference. One is designed to release that energy in a fraction of a second in a frangible metal casing, the other is designed to release it over a number of hours. Yes, batteries can go wrong, just like any tech, but comparing them to hand grenades is just ludicrous.

> comparing them to hand grenades is just ludicrous Next, let's calculate the energy input required to heat a small cup of coffee and compare that to a hand grenade. (Hint: The coffee wins easily.) I wonder how many hand grenade equivalents a 10 minute lukewarm shower equates to?

In some universe there's an internal combustion shower powered entirely by an operator ripping out pull rings with their teeth and throwing armed grenades into a heating chamber.

Preferably yelling 'fire in the hole!' each time.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Const-me »

loufe wrote: post #433
Const-me wrote: post #365

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> In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) My real-world task is not opening an IDE, it’s using that IDE. Modern C++ compilers are using all available CPU cores just fine. > It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks These are the only workloads I care about. Not just compilation, many other things as well. You only need single-threaded performance for 2 things, for the stuff that’s inherently serial…

> You only need single-threaded performance for 2 things, for the stuff that’s inherently serial like gzip, or to run programs made more than 5-10 years ago. You must not be grand strategy game players. Any titles from Paradox and some other popular games are all limited by single core IPC. They are a great example of the limits of multi-threading, some processes and problems cannot be adapted to take advantage of it…

> They are a great example of the limits of multi-threading

These are examples of lazy programmers and PC-only games. Consoles have many cores for decades and these cores are slower than PCs, developers of cross-platform titles have embraced multithreading for quite some time now.

Multithreading does have limits. Some things are borderline impossible to parallelize, examples include gzip, streaming encryption algorithms, or parsing long streams of HTML and JavaScript. However, vast majority of the CPU-bound stuff found in videogames scales just fine with CPU cores.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Const-me »

MikusR wrote: post #412
Const-me wrote: post #365

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> In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) My real-world task is not opening an IDE, it’s using that IDE. Modern C++ compilers are using all available CPU cores just fine. > It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks These are the only workloads I care about. Not just compilation, many other things as well. You only need single-threaded performance for 2 things, for the stuff that’s inherently serial…

Also web is still single threaded.

Indeed, but web is not computationally expensive. Even old computers like my laptop with i3-6157u CPU handle web just fine.

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Post by heywherelogingo »

Aeolun wrote: post #353
nrp wrote: post #80

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We don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.

I’m curious about these responses. They kind of read like “Yes, but we don’t want to commit to anything right now.”

Sounds sensible. They're working on it but wouldn't want to have an unexpected obstacle turn into broken promises.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by heywherelogingo »

sydd wrote: post #421
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

Its great, but I really don't understand why they cannot ship outside like 2 countries (?). Its always such a let down to see a company in 2021 that doesn't offer worldwide shipping, and sells its products just in the usual 2-3 countries (USA, Canada, maybe UK). At least give some FAQ with reasons or ETA when you will be shipping outside the US

Have to manufacture different keyboard layouts for one. That layout in the pics looks unpleasant to my UK eyes.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Liskni_si »

ajot wrote: post #107
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Do you have any other keyboard + pointing device design in mind? I've read sibling comments about trackpoint and numpad, but what about a 7-row keyboard and/or a smaller trackpad with real buttons for clicking? Is this possible? Do you see there's a market for it?

+1

The current keyboard is not really fit to be used as a primary keyboard. A proper 7-row keyboard with full-sized arrows is really a must for people who use laptop keyboards as their main daily driver. Here's a picture of what one looks like: https://imgur.com/Epo5kBw

Please make something like that possible!

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Post by eplanit »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #455

Submitted this yesterday, didn't get much traction though. Gizmodo's review was mixed. https://gizmodo.com/i-wanted-to-love-framework-s-modular-lap...

That review is indeed lukewarm, but lists not one specific gripe as to anything wrong or not working. It's really a worthless review.

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Post by wayoutthere »

vimacs2 wrote: post #422
wayoutthere wrote: post #407

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There’s no technical reason not to (I’m no EE but I’m sure it could be done somehow), but there’s no demand for removable memory. The entire consumer PC market is already a rounding error for the semiconductor industry, and the enthusiast market that would be interested in this is a very small portion of that market. Like it or not, repairable/upgradable laptops are a thing of the past. There’s just not component sup…

Way overstating your case. PC's might be on the decline but they are still far far from being a "rounding error for the semiconductor industry". Laptops also make up a major component of that still very alive market so no, I disagree that there is not enough market demand for having laptops that can be repaired or upgraded. It's the industry themselves that have worked to hamper the right of repair while giving nebul…

Modern laptop motherboards can easily be about the size of a cell phone. Most of the case is battery and the main board is a shrinking percentage of the BOM cost. The entire motherboard is the replaceable component. It’s less “right to repair” than the additional components and design required to make them repairable are more expensive than just replacing the whole board.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by littlestymaar »

ddalex wrote: post #434
chrismorgan wrote: post #326

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Airlines tend to cap lithium-ion batteries at 100Wh, so it’s quite common for laptops and power banks to go to or just shy of that. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/11/apple-introduces-16-i... speaks of a 100Wh battery. My latest laptop has about a 90Wh battery. Hopefully your laptop and hand grenade have radically different power discharge profiles.

> Hopefully your laptop and hand grenade have radically different power discharge profiles Li battery fires are not unheard of, unfortunately, so the profiles may start to resemble sometimes.

Lithium batteries burn, quite quickly but it still takes a few seconds, that can be pretty dangerous indeed but that's several orders of magnitude slower than a grenade.
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