In a mine -- constricted space of very small volume with forced ventilation -- the conditions would be ideal for getting infected with a very high initial viral load. Under these conditions, it is not unreasonable that immunity of any kind (from infection or vaccination) would not be sufficient to prevent symptomatic COVID19 infections.
SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
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Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would I want to vaccinate if I'm still going to get restricted? I mean the whole deal here was that if we got vaccinated we'd be back to normal life. If that wasn't the case they should've been sincere up front and most of us wouldn't have gotten vaccinated.
To prevent yourself and others from getting (the severe form of) the virus. I can assure you that most people would still have gotten vaccinated. Personally what I would like is roughly what we've had in the UK for the previous few months. The ability to do mostly normal life, but with restrictions on large events and mandated precautions such as masks. Along with vaccinations that would probably have been a sustaina…
We should have had all the information when we made the choice of getting vaccinated or not. You say most people would've gotten vaccinated, I say they wouldn't have. We'll never know, since we were lied to.
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
So does this mean we made this pandemic worse than the one from 1918 when we didn't have a vaccine?
Absolutely not, or at least not yet, because: 1) the most contagious variants have emerged from countries with little to no vaccination: UK before vaccination and with very little protective measures (pubs, etc.), Brazil with Bolsonaro, India with a very high population density who are mostly unvaccinated, etc. These variants appear thanks to the high number of contaminations. Vaccination means fewer contaminations,…
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#144As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. The authors of this study conjecture that the unvaccinated asymptomatic “patient 40” may have been the source of the infections seen in the other fully vaccinated patients - however this was a mi…
> That being said, IMO there seems to be a growing public opinion that unvaccinated individuals are to blame for the increasing dominance of variants of concern (delta, gamma, etc). This is no coincidence. The media has been directed to _not_ blame vaccines for ANYTHING, as doing so would negatively impact their narrative. It's well known that people vaccinated with leaky vaccines are the breeding ground for super-bu…
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s worth noting that the bar for severe illness is set incredibly high. [1] All of the major symptoms including high fever, cough, severe fatigue, loss of taste/smell, and shortness of breath still count as mild under their definition. This is very much a disease you don’t want to get, even the so called mild version that happens in vaccinated people. 1. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/clin.…
I had COVID before the lockdowns. It wasn't apparent to me until I started hearing about the symptoms. The fatigue was awful, but on top of that, the night my fever broke I was laying down on my bed during February with a window open and no sheets covering me. All while hyperventilating. I kinda thought this was a weird flu but fortunately I didn't have to worry up front about potential death while having it. Worst c…
I traveled by bus all the way from Southern Italy to Sweden just before the virus hit the news, and fell sick with the same symptoms for about a week from the day I arrived.
The fever was nasty, but the one thing I remember most is lying there alone in the middle of the night feeling like I wasn't getting enough oxygen and wondering what the hell was going on.
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do they say how? Doesn't seem like it even makes sense anymore. I'm going to guess based on your youtube wording that their answer is not vaccines?
"Do they say how?" I am relatively certain this is the reason they are banned from youtube... i have seen a (now removed) video from a crank on youtube who suggested saturation bombing of high incidence areas might be the solution...
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Severe Illness: Individuals who have SpO2 30 breaths/min, or lung infiltrates >50%. Isn't the point that levels below severe are not generally fatal and don't require hospitalization. Nobody thinks it's good to get sick, but it generally ceases to be a threat to public health with vaccination.
Whoa, I sometimes get SpO2 around 91 - 94 and I chalk it up to calibration error on cheap SpO2 devices (The ones that clip on to the hand, cost about 20 USD). Have been tested twice per employer requirements and was never positive though.
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
brain damage after vaccine, or "mild" disease in vaccinated people? can you point to that MRI imaging? curious to see.
This is the major one: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v... This one scared me since it was a large, relatively unbiased sample, with before-and-after imaging. It also showed brain damage even in mild cases of COVID19 in >10% of cases. There are a lot of supporting smaller-scale studies too, replicating the same general result. E.g. https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid…
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
So does this mean we made this pandemic worse than the one from 1918 when we didn't have a vaccine?
Absolutely not, or at least not yet, because: 1) the most contagious variants have emerged from countries with little to no vaccination: UK before vaccination and with very little protective measures (pubs, etc.), Brazil with Bolsonaro, India with a very high population density who are mostly unvaccinated, etc. These variants appear thanks to the high number of contaminations. Vaccination means fewer contaminations,…
I agree that the idea that vaccines are leading to new variants seems extremely dubious though. Like everything else in epidemiology, when you go looking for the underlying rational basis for it, there's just nothing robust there.
Re: SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners
#150As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. The authors of this study conjecture that the unvaccinated asymptomatic “patient 40” may have been the source of the infections seen in the other fully vaccinated patients - however this was a mi…
> imperfect vaccines can cause selective pressure which enhances the fitness of highly virulent pathogens The number of ways in which we undertaking a natural experiment in viral evolution has been top-of-mind for me as well. But the greater issue in my view is not that the vaccines are imperfect. All vaccines are somewhat imperfect. On its own, I the mRNA vaccines were probably entirely adequate. The problem is that…
https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/
"the human population, as a result of policy decisions, will continue to have ... large numbers of unvaccinated among us"
You need to rethink this for several reasons:
1. It's logistically impossible for everyone to be vaccinated simultaneously. This is not the result of policy decisions, it's a simple matter of distribution and manufacturing. There will therefore always be large numbers of unvaccinated living alongside the vaccinated for any vaccine. If they don't work given that fact then they are useless and should be abandoned.
2. Prior vaccination campaigns have worked or even wiped out whole diseases, even when there are lots of people who weren't vaccinated. If the new "vaccines" cannot do this then they aren't actually vaccines at all.
3. The idea that vaccines only work if everyone has taken them is entirely unsupported by any evidence or sound biological theory, quite clearly would not meet the definition of a vaccine, and leads inevitably to evil totalitarianism in which people are forced to take an endless parade of injections regardless of whether they're at risk, regardless of the severity of the disease which is being treated and regardless of how many safety protocols were skipped.