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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

ivraatiems wrote: post #111
nrp wrote: post #96

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It's unlikely we'll add discrete graphics in this form factor, but integrated graphics is actually much better than it has been in the past (e.g. Overwatch and GTA:V can run at 60fps), and there is also support for eGPUs. We've designed the mainboard to be end-user replaceable for upgrades, and we'll be developing new ones for future CPU platforms as we go.

Thanks for the quick answer! Any thought of a larger form-factor model eventually?

There's nothing we can say yet, but we're not done with our mission!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by bschwindHN »

> No inverted T arrow keys

That was a showstopper for me for the older macbooks and still a showstopper now. It was so bad that Apple walked it back on the newer designs (though their newer magic keyboards still have this problem for some reason...)

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ant6n »

nrp wrote: post #101
peterburkimsher wrote: post #73

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Which battery controller are you using? I've had trouble replacing the cells on my MacBook Pro 2014 Retina 15" A1398. If it's a TI BQ20Z451, will you keep the default unseal code?

It's a TI BQ40Z50-R3. I would strongly recommend doing a pack replacement rather than cell replacements for a Framework Laptop Battery. We'll be making replacement battery packs readily available at a price point that hopefully makes it the clear choice.

The question is whether it will be possible to get a replacement battery five years from now (at a reasonable price point).

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by bscphil »

nrp wrote: post #108
bscphil wrote: post #11

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From what I can find, the documentation on the screen just says it covers 100% of the sRGB gamut. That's nice, but do you have an example of a calibration profile that shows the full gamut coverage? It would be nice to compare it to Adobe RGB and P3 gamuts. Is the screen HDR or 10 bit input capable?

We use a BOE NE135FBM-N41 panel, which you may be able to find some profiles on from other notebooks. We haven't gotten a chance to generate profiles just yet ourselves.

Thanks for the response!

I did find a review of one laptop that used this panel, and it looks like it's a designed-to-standard 8 bit panel with pretty much no coverage beyond sRGB, similar to the panels Apple was putting in MBPs around 2014 or 2015. Support for HDR (e.g. PQ) shouldn't be expected.

For what it's worth I'd be very interested in future upgrades for the screen quality. I'm fine with the current density (~200 DPI or so), although I know some have requested 4K screens. The real selling point would be a 10 bit panel with ST.2084 HDR support and full coverage for the P3 gamut. Something in line with base model laptops from Apple. (Obviously, such an upgrade would carry an understandable price premium.)

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by pabs3 »

nitsky wrote: post #114
nrp wrote: post #80

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We don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.

Are you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.

I wonder if eink would be feasible.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

notpatio11 wrote: post #113

Hey Nirav - Awesome project. I want to see this succeed. Can you talk a little bit about how you plan to keep this project inline with the original vision. I have purchased from/seen so many startups start with a great cause and good purpose, but then succumb to just simply "too good of offer" to pass up and eventually "pivoting" to something that is more lucrative. I believe that the the reason right to repair isn't…

We're building our business model to align incentives around product longevity. We want as many people using our products for as long as they possibly can. As a company, we benefit from that by continuing to develop new modules and upgrades and fostering the developing of compatible parts that can be sold through our marketplace. Even after an individual no longer needs their product, we want that product's life to extend by getting it refurbished or resold to the next consumer who can keep using it and participating in the ecosystem.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by pabs3 »

nrp wrote: post #23
aftergibson wrote: post #14

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Yeah the fact that Linux supporter isn’t listed makes me pause on making a purchase, especially when it’s from a new laptop maker. Hopefully on release we can get some confirmations about how well it runs.

We'll be posting up step by step installation and use guides for a few popular distros soon. We sent pre-release hardware out to developers and maintainers at a few distros and have been working with them on this. In the meantime, we also have a Linux sub-forum in our community where we expect folks will post their experiences with more obscure distros: https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91

The Debian wiki has a section for hardware-specific install guides, that would be a good place to put one for installing Debian on the Framework Laptop:

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn

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