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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

1) What are the chances of a 15.6 inch version with a numpad or should I not hold my breath? 2) Are dGPUs expected in the this or an upcoming version? 3) Color options other than white? 4a) Does the keyboard use low-profile Cherry switches or something else? (Edited) 4b) Are the keys backlit? (Edited) 5) ETA on TB4 ports? 6) Is there a 99Wh battery for the laptop?

I find numpad throws off the alignment of the keyboard relative to the touchpad and to the weight of the device. You clearly want a numpad, but I would suggest most users should avoid them, particularly if the will use the laptop on their lap.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Is it legal to sell something that looks almost indistinguishable from a MacBook? These responses to anyone pointing out how similar the design is are so disingenuous. Very strange!

Apple nailed the “generic laptop” design with MacBook but they also has their own design language like the iconic fillets. I guess that’s how they draw a line and I guess that’s enough for each sides.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Is it legal to sell something that looks almost indistinguishable from a MacBook? These responses to anyone pointing out how similar the design is are so disingenuous. Very strange!

Huawei and others have been doing it for years. Google the “Matebook”.

I have a Matebook D, and I wouldn’t say it’s any more of a clone of a MacBook than any other manufacturer.

Check out HP’s current line up. They seem to come in two flavors: “MacBook clone” and “MacBook clone, but in black”.

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/slp/optane/2-in-1-laptops?jump...

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, this thing has actual buttons, so clearly not a rip off of a MacBook. It also has what appears to be a dedicated power button. Also, this thing is user repairable. That's clearly not copied from Apple. Edit: so not a dedicated power button, but an integrated finger print reader. uh-oh, case is getting weaker ;-)

> To make device security convenient, we also built a Windows Hello-compatible fingerprint reader into the power button It's both a dedicated power button and a finger print reader.

It can't be a dedicated anything if you just used the word "both" implying it does 2 things.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#56
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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

From the web site, the selling point seems to be around this being a "right to repair" laptop. What's a bit unclear to me is that it seems the Framework Laptop is not be under an Open Source license, unlike the Pinebook Pro, the Librem 14 or the MNT Reform- the MNT being the most "user serviceable" as well as most repairable. Is your laptop fully open source, or if not, what makes it special or different from these o…

For me, "open source" with respect to hardware would imply getting the PCB layouts and other such info that would enable me to modify the electronics and/or produce my own - like a software "fork".

The "right to repair" tells me that I would be able to get replacement parts from 3rd party suppliers. Once upon a time, Television units also came with the circuit diagrams that helped third-party repair shops troubleshoot and fix TV issues. I am not sure if such circuit diagrams would help with the kind of wave-soldered multi-layered circuit boards that we have, but it'd be nice to have, I suppose.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Why a 3:2 display? That is an extremely odd choice. I used 4:3 displays for years, and was very pleased when wider displays became available.

I love 3:2 displays. They're wider than 4:3 but maintain the vertical height necessary to see a bunch of code onscreen. If I only get one display (for portable use), I'll pick 3:2 every day.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) What are the chances of a 15.6 inch version with a numpad or should I not hold my breath? 2) Are dGPUs expected in the this or an upcoming version? 3) Color options other than white? 4a) Does the keyboard use low-profile Cherry switches or something else? (Edited) 4b) Are the keys backlit? (Edited) 5) ETA on TB4 ports? 6) Is there a 99Wh battery for the laptop?

I find numpad throws off the alignment of the keyboard relative to the touchpad and to the weight of the device. You clearly want a numpad, but I would suggest most users should avoid them, particularly if the will use the laptop on their lap.

I would love to have a 10-key option, and to that end I have attempted using a wireless option. That device however won't even pair to my laptop. I would even be willing to use a wired one, but not enough of me to make it viable for someone to make. So many shortcut keys in my software are missing for a laptop keyboard. Instead, I have to use a full sized external keyboard and carry it around with me instead of just a useful smaller external 10-key.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

We're almost all thinking it, so... are you trying to get sued by Apple, or what's the reason for 1:1 copy of the design? Edit: To be clear, I'm not just trying to dunk on the idea. That would be the reason for me not to buy one if it looks like the vendor can fold because Apple dragged them to court.

With all the other OEMs out there that have used the same exhausted design, do you really think Apple is going to go after some start up?

It has chiclet keys and a black bezel sure, but nothing about this screams carbon copied MacBook anymore than contemporary ultra book.

We’re pretty much in the modern equivalent of beige boxes and CRTs. Consumer computers aren’t very interesting to begin with. This one is a laptop that lets you swap out parts, that’s pretty unique.

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